This is too much to bear anymore!!!

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http://www.global-report.com/eb/?l=he&a=343637
 
S.A.M. said:
Gaza has been without water for the last 5 days and the Israelis are bombing the tunnels through which food, water and medicines are supplied by Hamas to the people of Gaza. People are being forced to lie buried alive under rubble for four days and bleed for over 80 hours because the IDF won't let the medics in. In fact medics have been killed by IDF snipers. Oh they know whom to blame alright.
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A question: what is Egypt doing? Do they also not control a border with Gaza?

Michael said:
One thing that always fascinated me was how Muslims are perfectly happy to move to America or Australia and live on conquered land administered by the victors. Yet, it is somehow wrong when these same peoples, namely the Europeans/English, allowed Jews into Palestine?

I once put this question to a Muslim and he said it was his religious duty to spread the freedom of Islam to all parts of the globe. Of course, no one asked the indigenous people if they WANTED a Muslim (or anyone else) here spreading the word.

meh....
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Yep. Religious imperialism.

pjdude1219 said:
I proved my contention just because you didn't like it doesn't mean I didn't do it.
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Hardly.

ElectricFetus said:
Knowing the Palestinians half of those children were placed in arms way for just that kind of imagery. The Palestinians specifically place children arms way for propaganda proposes, its all good for them they can just fart out more.

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I regret to say, but certain of the religious and political authorities (those two being tighter than Hezbollah and Iran) do indeed feel this way. "You love life but we love death", the cry goes. What then?
 
pjdude1219 said:
um the renault ft-17. you know what that 17 stands for 1917 late world war 1. unless of course there was some sort of temporal anomaly your wrong
a tank that is built to engage hard and soft targets is better than one designed solely for soft targets. The hotchkiss h-39 was the main Israeli tank. The FT-17 was the lebenese tank. the tank the eygptian used were the mark 4 the locust and the matitilda.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotchkiss_H35#The_Char_l.C3.A9ger_mod.C3.A8le_1935_H_modifi.C3.A9_39
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FT-17
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Tank_Mk_VI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M22_Locust
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_tank
the main Israeli tank was purchased directly from france. that is hardly from the scrap heap in italy



lets see civilian population which is irrelevant to troops fielded. Plus my assertion for outnumbering their opponents does have a caveat you might not have know about.( I do not think you were involved in the debate when I orginally made the claim so it is unfair of me to assume you knew the complete ins and outs surrounding it) It is only for the first war the 48 one.



Why must you delibrately be dishonest and misrepresent people arguments?
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Now lets see your intellectual dishonesty and lack of knowledge, and failure to do the research to back your alligation.

Lets see grasshopper...WWI ended in 1918-----

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotchkiss_H35#The_Char_l.C3.A9ger_mod.C3.A8le_1935_H_modifi.C3.A9_39

When World War II started 640 Hotchkiss tanks had been delivered according to the acceptance lists. The inventories deviate slightly: of the 300 "H 35"s allocated to the Cavalry, 232 were fielded by ten cavalry squadrons, 44 were in depot, eight in factory overhaul and sixteen in North Africa. Of the hundred used by the Infantry, ninety were fielded by
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FT-17

In all, the FT-17 was used by Afghanistan, Belgium, Brazil, the Republic of China, Czechoslovakia, Estonia, Finland, France, the German Empire, Nazi Germany, Iran, Japan, Lithuania, the Netherlands, Poland, Romania, the Russian White movement, the Soviet Union, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, the United States, and the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.
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No mention of any Middle East contry recieveing FT-17

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_Tank_Mk_VI

The Tank, Light, Mk VI was a British light tank, produced by Vickers-Armstrong in the late 1930s, which saw service during World War II.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M22_Locust

The Light Tank (Airborne) M22 or Locust was an American designed airmobile light tank which was produced during World War II. The Locust began development in 1941 after a request was made by the British War Office to the American government that it develop a purpose-built airborne light tank, which could be transported by glider into battle to support British airborne forces.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matilda_tank

The first Matilda was produced in 1937 but only two were in service when war broke out in September 1939. Some 2,987 tanks were produced by the Vulcan Foundry, John Fowler & Co., Ruston & Hornsby, and later by the London, Midland and Scottish Railway at Horwich Works; Harland and Wolff, and the North British Locomotive Company. Production was stopped in August 1943.

The Matilda was first used in combat by the 4th and 7th Royal Tank Regiments in France in 1940. Its 2-pounder gun was comparable to other tank guns in the 37 to 45 mm range. Due to the thickness of its armour, it was largely immune to the guns of the German tanks and anti-tank guns in France. The famous 88 mm anti-aircraft guns were pressed into the anti-tank role as the only effective counter.
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pjdude1219 said:
the main Israeli tank was purchased directly from france. that is hardly from the scrap heap in italy
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Let see, it was 1953 before the Israelis bough anthing from France, and then it was the AMX-13, not the Sherman, and the gun system from the AMX-13 for instalation in their Shermans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M50_Super_Sherman

In 1953, an Israeli delegation visited France to examine the new AMX 13 light tank. The tank was armed with a high-velocity 75 mm gun CN 75-50, a development of the German 7.5 cm KwK 42 L/70 (used in the Panther tank). While the gun was satisfactory, the armor of the French tank was considered too light. Eventually, Israel purchased the AMX 13, however in a parallel development it was decided to graft the powerful French gun onto the available, familiar and better-armored hull of the American M4 Sherman, the standard tank of the IDF armored units in the early 1950s.[1]
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http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/israel/sherman.htm

The first Sherman tanks were bought during the 1948 War of Independence, from an Italian junkyard where they were awaiting their selling for scrap. The IDF eventually bought 35 of these, but only 14 were operational by the end of the war. Since these tanks had sabotaged guns, some were regunned with the Krup 75mm field gun.
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Now as to my supposed deliberate dishonesty and misrepresentation, how about you intellectual dishonest in posting on subject that you know absolutely nothing about and do no serious research about, and failure to even check the basic history around the supposed facts that you regurgitate from your pie hole.

pjdude1219 said:
Why must you delibrately be dishonest and misrepresent people arguments?
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As to the Populations at the time of 1948, the ratio of populations are comparable, and in actuality the numbers have gotten worse since then, the Arabs are breading like rabbits and their populations are increasing and the Israeli population is actually decreasing, due to smaller familys and low birth rates.

YOU HAVE BEEN SERVED
 
Bells said:
And? What? You're saying it's alright to kill Palestinian children because it's just a culling of the herd? That's it's somehow okay to kill them because they'll just "fart out some more"? Wow.. just wow..
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No, I'm saying the Palestinians are killing their own children, that the Palestinians truthfully desire for their children to die in holy jihad against the evil jews, and they put their children in harms way so they can make martyrs of them. Where do you think Hamas launches their rockets and mortars from? From the middle of an elementary school of course! why? because when Israel strikes back the Palestinians can go "oh look at the children!" you think the parents would be mad at hamas, but they don't seem to object at all.

Or better yet, Israel can stop deliberately targeting civilian areas because some Hamas may be hiding there. Israel can simply stop killing children. Sounds about fair, don't you think?
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Hey I am with you on that, I don't think there is any normal way to defeat the "baby shield" strategy, its a guaranteed way for israel to loss the PR war, I think israel would have been far better off with an anti-rocket system, the hamas needed israel to attack, they needed the attention and strife to rally more support for their cause, and israel served it to them just how hamas likes it! I beleive the best stratagy is for Israel to wall off Palestine, remove all settlements to reduce border circumference, and generally pretend the land the palestinains are on is dead to them, the Palestinians will have no recourse but to fix up there own state as suicide bombings and rockets will not longer get the attention their blood lust demands, without Israel around to blame, they will have to accept faults that are all their own.
 
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Or better yet, Israel can stop deliberately targeting civilian areas because some Hamas may be hiding there. Israel can simply stop killing children. Sounds about fair, don't you think?
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Just like the Hamas has been doing for the last 2 years, and the Palestinians have been doing for the last 60?

Deliberately Targeting innocent civilians, can you get anymore hyperbolic?

Hamas picks it's own fighting position, it picks it's own mortar and rocket launching positions, and as shown from the pictures, they allow the children to be in the fighting positions with them, and no where in International Law, the Geneva Convention, of the IHL, does it prohibit any soldier from defending himself from attack by hostile forces just because there are civilians in the fighting position, in point of fact, under International Law, it is Hamas who is responsible for those casualties, not the Israelis.

Now please provide any evidence that Israel is going out and deliberately shooting civilians for grins.

You have become a caricature, a buffoon in your shrill anti Israeli rhetoric, you have absolutely no objectivity in your assessments of any thing involving this anymore.
 
Bells said:
You know, at some point, your inane trolling will cease to be tolerated.
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How about slandering someone else's character when you know perfectly well that you're talking a load of shit about them? Is that still on then?
 
Bells said:
And? What? You're saying it's alright to kill Palestinian children because it's just a culling of the herd? That's it's somehow okay to kill them because they'll just "fart out some more"? Wow.. just wow..
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NO, what he's saying is that Palestinian political and religious leaders deliberately use civilians - women, children and all - as human shields. Meaning that they want these casualties to occur, or at least don't bloody mind. Christ, they've already admitted to it, so why the misinterpretation? Are you trying to be obtuse?
 
SAM,
The blockade is intended to stop the flow of weapons into Gaza. Food and medicine comes in those tunnels you mentioned, but so do materials for rockets. Hamas is only hurting it's own people, they must have a martyr complex. This isn't self defense, since the Israeli blockade is justified as self-defense from rockets in the first place.
 
Yes, a Palestinian children at play:

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Those are all real guns and molotov cocktails, in the pictures, and I love th eone in the lower left, a Desert Eagle, yes and th ePalestinians wonder why their children get shot.

The one on the lower left is shooting at someone........
 
Yes, a Palestinian children at play:

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Those are all real guns and Molotov cocktails, in the pictures, and I love the one in the lower
left, a Desert Eagle, yes and the Palestinians wonder why their children get shot.

The one on the lower left is shooting at someone........
 
Except the victims of sniper fire are very young children

Moderator warning: The following image shows a dead child.

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You can see it on al Jazeera, they are pointing out bullet holes in the skulls of one year old babies

Your tax dollars and support at work
 
S.A.M. said:
Except the victims of sniper fire are very young children
You can see it on al Jazeera, they are pointing out bullet holes in the skulls of one year old babies

Your tax dollars and support at work
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i abstained longer than you did!!!!
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SAM, that ain't a one year old baby, and we don't have any information as to the fact behind the picture, now do we, only Hamas's head line.
 
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