All i see are atheists ridiculing religion without any research into religion(like reading the bible or koran, bhagavad gita) but simply just spouting the same garbage like a choir, without any intention of civil debate because they think they have all the answers.
What you see can only be thru the filter of ignorance presumably instilled by advocates of your faith.
You lose immediately you reject evolution and that is because you obviously dont know anything about it..at all...you suggest we speculate upon the possibility that you have read more than others here...well my speculation is you have not read a damn thing.
And my speculation does not deprive you from any opportunity to demonstrate in some small way that you know what you are talking about.
Do you know what put me on the path to atheism?
Reading the bible..yes cover to cover and perhaps unlike others who cherry pick it for quotes to support whatever it is that they need from some alledged higher authority ...I read it with an open mind..noting that it starts with the very first sentence with a made story of creation and rather than casually move on I noted that the annonomous author could not have witnessed the creation he presents as if he were some sort of tv reporter diligently deliveting a blow by blow account.
Its made up and any fool can see why...mmm maybe any fool cant see it...do you see that it is made up?
And it does not get better.
This book supposedly the word of god holds so many errors if it were submitted as a school project it would be failed as just wrong.
However as to the old testament I understand that it was an attempt by ancient folk to build a basis for their law and to provide answers superior to the other superstitious crap of the time...so the Old Testament gets a pass as a made up story but not as the truth that thousands of years later cant be corrected.
The new testament however is a lie.
It is built on a lie.
The lie is that a human could be god.
The history shows this without any misunderstanding possible...the human gods mirror the Elvis impersonator situation...all good but all fake and JC was just one more Elvis impersonator.
Discuss that all you want but the lie will remain.
your foundation is "i thought that the universe is eternal and it all made sense" with that pearl of wisdom you've got up on the pulpit declaring that everything other then your thought is garbage,
I know I know.
It is just so annoying when you run into that person with whom you strongly disagree but nevertheless know they are right.
That is why you feel the need to insult me...because I am just so annoyingly right...
As I said something does not come from nothing and all your observations and mine attest to that being a fact...this simple observation strongly suggests the universe can only be eternal. ..there is no other answer.
What is so upsetting for you about an eternal universe...does it not make more sense than an eternal creator who sat in eternity for an eternity to come out and create a huge finite universe with one little spot for his pets that just happen to look like him...and now he is all around us eternal but not inhabiting eternity present everywhere but unevidenced and entitely ineffectual and with no input ..it must sound crazy even to you.
You are just ticked off because my approach is most reasonable and supported by all we see whereas your approach is just some made up yarn unsupported by anything we can observe.
You know I am right but you are still unable to accept the truth because you have taken a dislike to the messenger...pretend you thought of it. ..that may make it better.
Your best choice is to stop swimming against the tide and enjoy your new understanding that uses observation and logic to answer questions previously only dealt with by making up stuff with no supporting evidence logic or reason.
You deserve to enjoy your new enlightenment.
hitler thought like that.
What a cheap attempt to divert attention from what we are discussing.
Do you think I care if you insult me?
Do you think my confidence depends upon the approval of others let alone yours. ..that right thete is evidence that you are somewhat delusional.
Look you can call me whatever you like but know this...with each insult you make I know I have nailed you...I love insults they tell me I have made a big impression...each insult is like awarding me a gold star for excellence...and you dont see that do you.
All i'm saying is learning is fun, and that's exactly what you need at this point in time!
But that is not what you are saying. ... you are not saying learning is fun at all and you are now just telling lies.
So my friend what should I learn...I already have read the bible and a few other religious things.
I have researched the history that clearly shows that christianity is a lie and that JC was one of many humans that claimed to be god.
I have learnt that our best theory on cosmology cant take us to a point of creation.
I have learnt that if folk have been brainwashed and suffer any type of god delusion that they are incapable of rational thinking...prove me wrong Son.
Start with some insults, add some biblical quotes and perhaps a promise of eternal torture in hell by a god that loves me...perhaps explain why evolution is wrong and that despite the commonality observed in the dna of humans and chimps there is no relationship that supports The Theory of Evolution.
If you have read any of those books that should be real easy.
Please list out what I should learn and I will return the favour by teaching you how to argue without resorting to insults.
Now if you want to get back on side with me and have me give you some degree of respect please offer me an appology covering the areas where you attacked me and not my posts...
Come on I have made a bet with myself that you can do it...please do not disappoint me that you are not man enough to say sorry.
Alex