The Universe has no beginning, and No End.

Well a photon I think has zero mass right, so in that case mass = something else.
Um, no.
(Rest) Mass is zero.

The Photon is in something else, it's in the Aether membrane.
Um, no.
There is no aether.

The Aether is mass, so being as the photon is outside the Aether it has zero mass, but something else.
Um, no.
That's specious nonsense.

How can it be outside the aether while it's in the aether?
 
Um, no.
(Rest) Mass is zero.


Um, no.
There is no aether.


Um, no.
That's specious nonsense.

How can it be outside the aether while it's in the aether?

Well it's not in the spherical force, it's in the linear force (or tension force). Two bubbles touching, inside is spherical force, between the bubbles is linear force. That must be what mass is.. spherical force. Linear force can be a vibration. No movement, no vibration.
 
Well it's not in the spherical force, it's in the linear force (or tension force). Two bubbles touching, inside is spherical force, between the bubbles is linear force. That must be what mass is.. spherical force. Linear force can be a vibration. No movement, no vibration.
Word salad.
 
The thing that has been bugging people about the Universe for ever has a solution.

Questions like...

1/ What happened before the Big Bang?
2/ How does something begin from nothing?
3/ Did God create the Universe, so who created God?

Well here is the solution....

The universe turns itself inside out! First you have the expansion, then it collapses, and then it pops out in the other direction. Now you have no beginning, and no end. A permanent loop!

It's slightly better than the collapse, expand theory in that it is a complete circle.

Or in an Aether setting....

The Aether circles back to day 1, but day 1 has died by now, so a sort of bubble loop, that never ends.
You still failed on how all started .
Things do not start from zero and become billions of pounds around .
Not in any logic .
 
Well it's not in the spherical force, it's in the linear force (or tension force).
You fail to even grasp gravity or what isotropic means.

A large object with plenty of mass exerts gravitational forces on other objects. The force is determined by the mass of the two objects and the distance between them. A satellite 1000km above the North pole feels the same gravity as a satellite 1000km below the South pole. That's why gravitational systems collapse to make spherical systems, their gravity pulls on all objects at a set distance equally.

The gravitational force expression in Newtonian physics is $$F = \frac{GMm}{r^{2}}$$. 2 satellites which are 1,000,000 miles from the Sun will each feel the same force of gravity. It doesn't matter whether they are next to one another or on opposite sides of the Sun or one doing a polar orbit while another does an equatorial one. Gravity treats all directions equally and hence if its strong enough it pulls objects into spherical shapes.

I teach basic mechanics to people doing geophysics and even they manage to grasp this. Why can't you?
 
So the universe is similar to every thread you start they have no beginning and seem to have no end.
 
Its a time thing, the future gives rise to the past. Universe expands and collapses back into itself.
 
Newtonian physics are useless on mass scale of the universe. We are even past Einstein physics of relativity, past the point of frame dragging effect, we are past all that...

link: http://einstein.stanford.edu/

you know what, I hereby propose a hypothesis that the whole universe will collapse as a result of a frame dragging effect. But yes, its a hypothesis.
 
Its a time thing, the future gives rise to the past. Universe expands and collapses back into itself.
A mix of supposition and nonsense.

Newtonian physics are useless on mass scale of the universe. We are even past Einstein physics of relativity, past the point of frame dragging effect, we are past all that...
:confused: :rolleyes:

you know what, I hereby propose a hypothesis that the whole universe will collapse as a result of a frame dragging effect. But yes, its a hypothesis.
No it isn't it's a wild guess based on... nothing so far.
Main Entry: hy·poth·e·sis
Pronunciation: \hī-ˈpä-thə-səs\
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural hy·poth·e·ses \-ˌsēz\
Etymology: Greek, from hypotithenai to put under, suppose, from hypo- + tithenai to put — more at do
Date: circa 1656
1 a : an assumption or concession made for the sake of argument b : an interpretation of a practical situation or condition taken as the ground for action
2 : a tentative assumption made in order to draw out and test its logical or empirical consequences
3 : the antecedent clause of a conditional statement
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Hypothesis

The closest you get to the meaning is 1).
What's the argument you're going to put forward?
 
You fail to even grasp gravity or what isotropic means.

A large object with plenty of mass exerts gravitational forces on other objects. The force is determined by the mass of the two objects and the distance between them. A satellite 1000km above the North pole feels the same gravity as a satellite 1000km below the South pole. That's why gravitational systems collapse to make spherical systems, their gravity pulls on all objects at a set distance equally.

The gravitational force expression in Newtonian physics is $$F = \frac{GMm}{r^{2}}$$. 2 satellites which are 1,000,000 miles from the Sun will each feel the same force of gravity. It doesn't matter whether they are next to one another or on opposite sides of the Sun or one doing a polar orbit while another does an equatorial one. Gravity treats all directions equally and hence if its strong enough it pulls objects into spherical shapes.

I teach basic mechanics to people doing geophysics and even they manage to grasp this. Why can't you?

I was talking about Quantum Gravity. The Photon isn't even next to the next atom, it is between up to 4 atoms at a time, sometimes 2. With atom spacing to account for, Gravity between atom spacing cannot exist, else all atoms would be touching one another. The photon is just a wave, so this makes it even more robust to gravity. To bend a Photon path you need to bend the Aether itself. That requires a great force.

Anyway, you keep saying.. "This was taught.", and I keep telling you that Doers are taught, and thinkers think.
 
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Please, get a clue. Or an education.

An education is what has messed you up so that you don't understand the reality any more. It's very simple. A bubble with bubbles within has force. The bubbles membrane has tension. The tension can vibrate, but the force is inside the bubble. The vibration is not a mass, it is a movement. A photon is a movement, and when stationary has no vibration. Thinking that a photon might have mass is like saying that a banana has a radar. Of course zero works, because you are asking an imaginary question. A banana has zero radar.
 
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I was talking about Quantum Gravity.
No, you were just making shit up. You haven't provided any reason why gravity is not isotropic, either on the scale of quantum mechanics or cosmology.

The Photon isn't even next to the next atom, it is between up to 4 atoms at a time, sometimes 2. With atom spacing to account for, Gravity between atom spacing cannot exist, else all atoms would be touching one another. The photon is just a wave, so this makes it even more robust to gravity. To bend a Photon path you need to bend the Aether itself. That requires a great force.
For every atom there's millions or billions of photons. Photons are the most numerous particles in the universe. Turning on a light doesn't create atoms but it does produce trillions upon trillions of photons.


Anyway, you keep saying.. "This was taught.", and I keep telling you that Doers are taught, and thinkers think.
Name one 'thinker' in physics who succeeded by ignoring everything, absolutely everything, known at the time. There isn't one. Imagination untempered by rationality is delusion.
 
An education is what has messed you up so that you don't understand the reality any more.
Bearing in mind that nothing you have come up with so far actually explains a damn thing I don't think you're in a position to talk about "messed up" or "reality".

It's very simple. A bubble with bubbles within has force. The bubbles membrane has tension. The tension can vibrate, but the force is inside the bubble. The vibration is not a mass, it is a movement. A photon is a movement, and when stationary has no vibration.
Word salad again. You can't support (let alone prove) any of the above.

Thinking that a photon might have mass is like saying that a banana has a radar.
Photons don't have mass.
As already stated.

Of course zero works, because you are asking an imaginary question. A banana has zero radar.
And you're talking bollocks.
 
No, you were just making shit up. You haven't provided any reason why gravity is not isotropic, either on the scale of quantum mechanics or cosmology.
And again you used the word gravity as a description. What method are you talking about? Gravitons flying out from atoms? What does that mean?

For every atom there's millions or billions of photons. Photons are the most numerous particles in the universe. Turning on a light doesn't create atoms but it does produce trillions upon trillions of photons.
How do you know that the electrons are not just vibrating the Aether?

Name one 'thinker' in physics who succeeded by ignoring everything, absolutely everything, known at the time. There isn't one. Imagination untempered by rationality is delusion.
None, because success is part of being wrong in physics.
 
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