I am thinking in terms of the Universe. 1 apple is a human name for a bunch of atoms tied together. 1.5 billion atoms - 1 billion atoms is 0.5 billion atoms. There is a lot of stuff left when you remove the apple. In science you will always have to be this specific. You can never let go of exactness. I have seen a few theories with 0 in them that fail. Also infinity is only possible for 1 case, and that is for the material that is outside of the universe... which I would just call an infinite membrane.
The Universe has no beginning, and No End.
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I am thinking in terms of the Universe. 1 apple is a human name for a bunch of atoms tied together. 1.5 billion atoms - 1 billion atoms is 0.5 billion atoms. There is a lot of stuff left when you remove the apple. In science you will always have to be this specific. You can never let go of exactness. I have seen a few theories with 0 in them that fail. Also infinity is only possible for 1 case, and that is for the material that is outside of the universe... which I would just call an infinite membrane.
But exactly zero apples.
Which you singularly failed to be.
Hmm, see above.
Examples?
Also wrong.
Science would benefit greatly from removing zero, and adding a new sign that just means "Something else"
1 apple - 1 apple = "Something Else"
Then you will be prepared for what happens when you reach zero.
So Bose-Einstein experiment tries to reach Absolute zero, and you get "Something Else"
And if you keep using this term instead, you will get something that can be understood. There should be a better word than "Something Else", but I can't think of one at the moment.
That HAS to be the funniest (with that specialised meaning of funny in the sense of "totally and ridiculously bone-headedly STUPID") thing you've come up with so far.
Really?
It also means zero apples.
Not possible (temperature-wise).
It's a good job I mentioned apples earlier because now you're comparing apples and oranges.
Or bollocks.
You're on a roll tonight.
Maybe just got back from a seminar on "Advanced Crackpotism"? "Woo woo: The next Level"?
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A dividing line of some sort. A size limit dividing line, a tension break. Whatever you want to call it, it's some sort of dividing line.
That HAS to be the funniest (with that specialised meaning of funny in the sense of "totally and ridiculously bone-headedly STUPID") thing you've come up with so far.
Really?
It also means zero apples.
Not possible (temperature-wise).
It's a good job I mentioned apples earlier because now you're comparing apples and oranges.
Or bollocks.
You're on a roll tonight.
Maybe just got back from a seminar on "Advanced Crackpotism"? "Woo woo: The next Level"?
I mention the Bose-Einstein a lot because I predicted it. I never heard of it, started reading it at the top line, and knew what was going to happen. I was quite pleased when I read that it baffled Einstein. But I predicted it just by using my old name for zero which was "Ghost", but now that you bring apples into it I need a version that works with everything.
Really?
How?
Bearing in mind that you've also said there's no maths in your formulation.
So basically you're saying the process was;
1) Mumble mumble I haven't a clue about science but I can pick my nose and use some of the words.
2) Mumble wouldn't it nice if fairies existed. But I'll call them "aether" 'cos it sounds better.
3) I have no clue about zero either so there must be something. Fairy shit sounds too non-technical, I'll browse the internet and see if I can find something to co-opt.
Utter and total bollocks. You're conflating zero temperature (which hasn't and won't be achieved) with the "something else" happening.
IF zero was ever achieved the BEC wouldn't be there.
The BEC happened as it hit a number slightly greater than zero, but that's what you would get. I count down.. 10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1,0.. if zero is never reached, I only get to 1. Similar effect.
Read it where?
Einstein (and Bose) predicted it.
I said that zero doesn't exist, so why then would Zero happen?
The example I read said that it baffled Einstein.
Ah, YOU said it doesn't exist.
That would make it an absolute fact then.
Yes it would. I think you have zero in some photon calculations, they will be wrong, and I think you have infinity in some Black hole calculations, they will be wrong too.
I take it back.
THAT has to be the show-stopper.
:roflmao:
Wow.
Wrong and wrong.
Do you mean.. wrong,wrong,wrong,and wrong. There are 4 statements in the last sentence.
Italicised: wrong and wrong.
No, for once I will be 100% right about those. I don't really say I am sure, unless I am sure. Oh wait.. mass is an unknown quantity right so you can keep zero mass if you like, as mass is the Aether, and a Photon is in the Aether membrane, so yeah not in the mass area.
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Correction: you believe you're 100% right.
But you don't know anywhere near enough about science to offer a valid opinion (which is all that is - an opinion).
So?
Delusional people often are sure.
Sure is NOT the same as correct.
Well a photon I think has zero mass right, so in that case mass = something else. The Photon is in something else, it's in the Aether membrane. The Aether is mass, so being as the photon is outside the Aether it has zero mass, but something else.