The Trump Presidency
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Trump has a lot to answer for. Assad is a little Hitler, and Putin is helping. This makes Trump party to war crimes.
Schmelzer
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For a critical examination of that amnesty report see http://www.moonofalabama.org/2017/02/amnesty-report-hearsay.html
I agree with all of that.
That's not how gold worked - or any other extractive commodity, such as silver or oil. Gold is not magic - and it is nationality aligned: like all unevenly distributed extractive resources it rewards military power.
The "warmonger" was, in this case, a couple of journalists at the Washington Post (and, behind them, the rightwing authoritarian neo-colonial faction in the US - the same people that pushed and engineered the Iraq War, whose power base in the US is the Republican Party. They are currently attempting to launch the US military at Iran.)
It's not "unquestionable truth", it's an informed opinion that contrasts with your gullibility for rightwing American imperialist propaganda. Anyone with information about American politics and politicians can "question" it.
Your blind spot (fascism) again. Notice I wasn't even specifying "him" alone, but rather his administration and the Republican Party that supports it. The current rolling disaster in US government will not vanish if Trump is removed - he's a horrible President and a walking threat to everything you claim to value, but his replacement Republican would be a continuation of that, not a reversal. His biggest unique threat is his charisma, which hides his ideology and agenda from the gullible - as we see in your posts, as well as among his power base in the US.
I see you are still citing your loonie buddy who likes to dress up like Hitler.
Schmelzer
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Yes, that's the point of informing the world about such things not via a press conference, but via "leaks" to a friendly newspaper. It gives Obama plausible deniability.
Ok, sorry, that means you hate this administration.
LOL, you think that I'm somehow impressed by Trump's charisma??????? YMMD.
And I see you continue to post even extremely primitive defamation. But, ok, this is simply joepistole.
douwd20
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So instead we have a man that clearly suffers from many mental maladies and the presidency is essentially shared with a character most would find instantly vile, Steve Bannon. And you characterize this as less dangerous? He can't let one perceived slight go by without swift retaliation. And he is less dangerous? Less evil? The pussy grabber and serial liar is less evil?
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Schmelzer
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It ain't defamation if it's true comrade, and you know it's true.
I know that it is true for you, that means, a lie. I have googled this picture, and it appeared first as a picture from some demonstration in Germany, without any information which would allow to identify that person. You enemy of Moon of Alabama has simply used it to insult, that's all. Only a very stupid propaganda believer takes that serious at all.
So you what - don't understand that this administration is fascist? If I "hate" (always the personal accusation, the inflammatory and ignorant term) fascist governance, it doesn't exist?
Not "impressed": fooled. Deceived. Blinded. It's the only visible explanation for your assessment of him as less warlike, less threatening, more isolationist, a businessman who will moderate his belligerence and manage the US military with more discretion, than Clinton. You even gave, as evidence for all that, your impression of Trump you had from what he said, how he spoke. You are posting here the illusions common to the Trump supporters in the US, and that's how they came by them.
Meanwhile, you mock joepistole for being taken in by propaganda presentations of Putin quite similar to - and even a bit more sophisticated than, being better based in reality - the bs you swallowed whole regarding Clinton.
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Yeah, you know it's true. You have a picture of your buddy (Moon of Alabama) in his Nazi uniform.
That isn't propaganda. Now one forced him to buy or wear his Nazi uniform and parade around in it. He did that all on his own.Your reliance on specious web sites is a problem whether you want to admit it or not.
Schmelzer
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You have to accept that I don't care much about the fate of Americans. If he grabs American pussies or not is nothing I care about at all.
What I care about is the danger of war. And, in particular, the danger of war with Russia, because a war with Russia can easily become a nuclear war, which could become the end of humankind. And in the question of relations with Russia we have seen the greatest difference in foreign policy between the two.
Actually, fascism is nothing but an invective used by the left against various political enemies on the right, independent of their personal beliefs. And I have not seen any evidence that you behave differently.
Is there something common between various historical fascists movements or governments and Trumps government now?
In the economic system, there is nothing relevant. Simply because the economic system of fascism, corporatism, is the economic system everywhere. In Russia as well es in the US, under Bush as well as under Obama. No difference. Private property, extreme regulation, in close cooperation between the Big Firms and the government. Trump even claims to deregulate something, I doubt he will succeed, simply because nobody succeeds, but deregulation is a direction away from corporatism. So, in the economic domain, the left are now (after communism, with government property, is dead even in China) even more fascistic than the right.
The political system is, first, simply dictatorship. In this sense, the Republicans are not fascists, at least not openly. There are other distinguishing points, like own organized armed formations (like the SS), which I have not seen yet organized by the Republican party. Similar own militarized Youth organizations, like the Hitlerjugend, I have not yet seen.
Then there is ideology. That is simply a diffuse mixture of racism and nationalism. Nationalism is harmless today, it was a dangerous thing in the last century, when nationalist states were able to recruit big national armies greater than those a monarchy could afford. Which allowed them to fight for world power. But to rule the world today, your ideology has to be internationalist. So, if Republicans are nationalists, ok, possible, and this would be a property they share with the Nazis, but so what? That is less dangerous than Obama's internationalism.
What else? Racism? See above - racists in power would be a problem for the US, but an internal problem. With black riots in the big cities and so on. You have to care about this, I don't.
That's your problem. You seem to have a small set of "explanations" so that every disagreement can be explained away, and that the opponent is a propaganda victim is a very nice one, it works universally. Joepistole uses it, claiming I read only Russian TV. You use it, supposing that I take a look at Trump speeches, so that his charisma, as far as it exists, has a chance to influence me. You are wrong. I don't see any TV. The only thing from Russian TV which I sometimes look is https://www.youtube.com/user/PoedinokTV and I look it on youtube. And I have never seen a speech of Trump.
The explanation for my assessment are sources in the net I consider as reliable. And this is not your beloved Breitbart.
Ah, the crux of the issue surfaces at last... in essence, you don't give two shits about indecency, sexual assault, assault and battery, the value of human life, et al... you only care insomuch as it doesn't affect you. You don't care if your personal safety comes at the cost of others being harmed, so long as you are safe.
I guess we should be happy (proud, maybe?) that you finally admit it.
Well, one honest statement from you. We are making progress comrade.
What you care about is your beloved paycheck and your beloved Putinina. That's what you care about comrade.
No, fascism is a real word with real consequences, and it's very applicable and relevant to today's circumstances. It's a very apt description of both Trump and your beloved Putinia. And yes there is a common, shared attribute, between both your beloved Putinina, Trump, and fascism, and you don't have to be a genius to see it. It's readily apparent. Both Trump and Putinina are authoritarians, both are nationalists. Both have racists connotations. Yeah, both your beloved Putinia and Trump are, by definition, fascists.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
And then there is more delusion and misinformation.
Like I keep saying - you have a blind spot. You can't see incoming despotism from the right.
The economic system of fascism is capitalist corporatism. "Extreme regulation" is not involved - regulations are designed to benefit the capitalists who are embedded in the government, which means deregulating them certainly, and regulating their enemies as they may prefer. Trump's deregulations - which would continue the deregulating trend since Reagan, a major feature in the US - are easily possible given the Republican Congress. That would be a direction toward, not away, from corporatism. None of this changes the ideology or stances of the Left, which are not fascist by definition of "left".
I didn't "suppose" anything, I read your posts - you told me how you got your opinion of Trump - from what he said, from his status as a businessman, etc.
It's a small set of disagreements.
What one needs to "rule the world" is irrelevant. The threat is from how Trump may employ the military he commands. It is a big national military greater than the US can afford. Trump has promised to use it internationally, to kill Islamic terrorists and their families - what he lacks in ideology he can easily make up for in tactical nukes.
so ... uhm what do you think about President Bannon's troop build up on the Russian border?
but you worry about a war with Russia..... hmmm...yes of course Russians would suffer terribly......
War may be unavoidable..... sealed by Putin's interference in the USA election process....are you ready for it...?
You also make a vast presumption that the USA Military is under the control of a POTUS that most in the military would consider insane...
He has already forced a super fail in Yemen and soldiers do not like that sort of BS leadership.
This discussion is not the only one going on in the world...The world is a very busy place, and most people with any nouse have a good idea of what is going down at the White House...
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I noticed on the news last night the carefully choreographed staging of Trump meets the military to a "standing ovation". What a load of crap...... Fake standing ovations now... please!!!!
I guess we all gotta maintain his delusion for now...keep him in his yellow submarine with Bannon at the helm.
Further do you actually think supporting your argument with utter rubbish is worth your time and effort?
"Have a look under your bed, there are thousands, nay, millions of corpses just waiting for justice"
I guess we all gotta maintain his delusion for now...keep him in his yellow submarine with Bannon at the helm.
and you seriously think claiming Amnesty International as a Fake news source is really going to work.
Further do you actually think supporting your argument with utter rubbish is worth your time and effort?
"Have a look under your bed, there are thousands, nay, millions of corpses just waiting for justice"
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if only they had tangible evidence to support their article.. like written orders etc...
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