The Trump Presidency

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I know that it is true for you, that means, a lie. I have googled this picture, and it appeared first as a picture from some demonstration in Germany, without any information which would allow to identify that person. You enemy of Moon of Alabama has simply used it to insult, that's all. Only a very stupid propaganda believer takes that serious at all.
well you have ... so that makes you pretty stupid by your own words.
Go on, defend your BS again...

While your at it... have a rethink about your Innovation in power sharing attitude...and have another think about your "'tis only" Gold comment... ( re: idea about converting currencies into shares)

You have Bitcoin...? Maybe you could start a thread on the yay and nay of Bitcoin ?

As I mentioned earlier you are locked into a Putinistic medieval mechanistic minds set that has no room for innovation beyond perpetuating the medieval mind set.

btw if you want to know of a good anti hack program let me know ok....or is it too late for you?
 
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You have to accept that I don't care much about the fate of Americans. If he grabs American pussies or not is nothing I care about at all.

I don't care much about the fate of humanity. It deserves to perish. Nuclear war, biological war, chemical you name it war is humanity's destiny. The only downside is we will take all the other wonderful life with us.
 
Schmelzer,
The numbers of persons seriously compromised by Russian IT extortion/blackmail is truly phenomenal. The victims are currently scared shitless that their secrets will be revealed. At one point however they are all going to be exposed more or less at the same time as the state sponsored Russian campaign is revealed in full. It is then that you can find a way out of the deep hole Putin has put you in... why?
Because all victims can claim that the info found on their computers was planted as a Russian frame up and any other explanation is fake news....
 
It is worth noting that Trump may force the worlds hand in his quest to make the USA great again,

For me 10 days to go

For you 22

I feel easy he will pass my mark and 12 days later yours

May be I should pay some attention on Malcolm and how many days he has left but he's boring as is Bill

Go Trump you can do it :)

:)
 
Yes, that's the point of informing the world about such things not via a press conference, but via "leaks" to a friendly newspaper. It gives Obama plausible deniability.
Ah yes, on serious matters of diplomacy and war Obama communicated with Putin in public via the press, which is under Presidential control - I forgot.

So which is it:
1) the Washington Post as a "liberal" newspaper "friendly to Obama", somehow managing to embarrass him in public yet again (while making Putin look tough)
or 2) Obama showing his domestic enemies why he wasn't pressing US war in Syria - recall that he was under serious domestic pressure to do exactly that, despite its obvious hazard with regard to Russia.

it's 1! Of course. Your expertise in evaluating American media once again provides you with information you otherwise lack.

Any thoughts on how Trump would tend to respond to Putin grandstanding like that?
 
but you worry about a war with Russia..... hmmm...yes of course Russians would suffer terribly......
The whole world would suffer terribly, if that war would become nuclear. And what would prevent it? If Russia would be unable to defend its own territory, it is official policy that it can use its nuclear weapons. And the US is the only state in the world which has already used them.
War may be unavoidable..... sealed by Putin's interference in the USA election process....are you ready for it...?
War is certainly not unavoidable. I think the danger of nuclear war is actually lower than before the election.
You also make a vast presumption that the USA Military is under the control of a POTUS that most in the military would consider insane...
Else they would have been under the control of a known warmonger, who has already started several wars.
and you seriously think claiming Amnesty International as a Fake news source is really going to work.
Further do you actually think supporting your argument with utter rubbish is worth your time and effort?
If you think that the arguments are utter rubbish, ok, your decision. In my youth, I had also an AI sticker. I have disposed it long ago, don't remember the reason, but it was also because of fake news. So, for me AI was already known as fake news many years.
so ... uhm what do you think about President Bannon's troop build up on the Russian border?
Nothing. In general, it is far from clear what will be Trump's policy. My "less evil" argument was always of the type "known murderous warmonger vs. completely unknown". This includes, of course, the possibility that the completely unknown may appear as bad or even worse than the known murderous warmonger. We will see.
Ah, the crux of the issue surfaces at last... in essence, you don't give two shits about indecency, sexual assault, assault and battery, ...
In comparison with the danger of nuclear war, indeed. If you think otherwise, your choice.

Like I keep saying - you have a blind spot. You can't see incoming despotism from the right.
Wrong. I see it. I have argued already a long time that all those color revolutions will have natural reactions everywhere - reactions which are quite fatal for real peaceful revolutions. Because everybody who disagrees with Washington has to be afraid of an US-paid color revolutions and to prepare for it. The preparation against a color revolution requires (1) control of the big media, (2) preparations of police and laws for defense against mass demonstrations.
The economic system of fascism is capitalist corporatism. "Extreme regulation" is not involved - regulations are designed to benefit the capitalists who are embedded in the government, which means deregulating them certainly, and regulating their enemies as they may prefer. Trump's deregulations - which would continue the deregulating trend since Reagan, a major feature in the US - are easily possible given the Republican Congress. That would be a direction toward, not away, from corporatism.
Extreme regulation is what distinguishs fascistic economic policy from free market economic policy. So, it is required if you mean "fascistic" seriously and not only as a content-free invective. That some amount of free markets may be in the interest even of big corporations, so that they support some deregulation, is a possibility, but if the US corporations use them, this would be a step away from corporatism. Fascistic regulation is quite extreme regulations.
None of this changes the ideology or stances of the Left, which are not fascist by definition of "left".
Nonsense. As Mussolini, as Hitler came from the left. They have embraced nationalism - but even nationalism was, originally, from the left too. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartburg_Festival
They also highly valued Nature, animal protection and so on, like the Greens today. So, definitions will hardly help you to make a difference between the left and fascism. Except, of course, for Orwellian definitions of type "what the Big Brother does not like is fascism".
I didn't "suppose" anything, I read your posts - you told me how you got your opinion of Trump - from what he said, from his status as a businessman, etc.
You had to suppose something to get the idea that I have somehow be influenced by some "charisma" of this guy.

That he is a businessman is a simple fact. Do you want to dispute that one can use it to make some plausible guesses about what he will do? What one can say, looking at the propaganda, is that the people he uses are attacked mainly for their political views, not that much for their competence. This would be natural behavior for a businessman. He would have to care to have competent guys in his team, not that much politically loyal ones.
What one needs to "rule the world" is irrelevant. The threat is from how Trump may employ the military he commands. It is a big national military greater than the US can afford. Trump has promised to use it internationally, to kill Islamic terrorists and their families - what he lacks in ideology he can easily make up for in tactical nukes.
So, this sounds like that all those things one can establish in a rational way - like that a nationalist ideology does not allow one to rule the world, because there is no nation big enough to rule the world against everybody else, and nationalism makes everybody else an enemy - do not matter at all. What matters are subjective evaluations of the personality of a few political leaders.

I have no doubt that the personalities of the political leaders are important too. But they are, first of all, the first target of propaganda. This is very easy to establish, to smear the political leaders of the enemy is a standard tool of propaganda. And if somebody uses such personal smear, one would better dispose that as propaganda without caring. Then, if one nonetheless thinks, based on such propaganda, that it really is important, one would better judge oneself by looking at what that person actually does, how it behaves and so on.

This method you have clearly rejected, see the discussion about the Clinton videos. I have not yet seen any necessity to care myself about the personality traits of Trump. Why? The part of what can be dismissed as obviously propaganda is very big. Some of this openly (anti-white) racist, like that about small "hands" (I know that blacks are proud of their big "hands", and not without reason), his hair and skin color. Another big chunk is part of the cultural war against political correctness, where he has simply intentionally provoked. Up to now, I give him his 100 days.

Don't be afraid, I'm quite open to the possibility that Trump appears to be really worse than Clinton. (You may remember, I have supported the thesis that Putin may have reasons to prefer Clinton too.) But up to now I have not seen anything to support this conclusion.

The pre-election thesis which has been supported even much more than expected is that Trump will be weak president simply because of the split within the American elite - so that US has to care more about this inner-American fight. "Divide et impera" as a weapon of the multicultural world against the unipolar US world rule is really funny. Here, the situation seems already clear: The globalists have decided to fight Trump with all means available. The old Russian joke that a color revolution is impossible in the US, because it does not have a US embassy, is already falsified.
 
And the US is the only state in the world which has already used them.
and Trump has declared quite openly that he is quite prepared to use them again, and believes he would be morally right in doing so... ( see his campaign Videos and don't bother with text media)

Putin seems so unconcerned why?
 
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I have no doubt that the personalities of the political leaders are important too. But they are, first of all, the first target of propaganda. This is very easy to establish, to smear the political leaders of the enemy is a standard tool of propaganda. And if somebody uses such personal smear, one would better dispose that as propaganda without caring. Then, if one nonetheless thinks, based on such propaganda, that it really is important, one would better judge oneself by looking at what that person actually does, how it behaves and so on.

You only have to sit through a couple of Trump selfies (videos) to work out his personality traits , character and attitudes... sheesh!
I suppose you are going to suggest that the videos are fake as well?
Certainly the last thing you need is digital print media adding to the mess that is Trump.. just look at the vids and make your own mind up....
 
Ah yes, on serious matters of diplomacy and war Obama communicated with Putin in public via the press, which is under Presidential control - I forgot.
You forget that we are in the age of informational warfare. And don't forget that the Washington Post article was on 4. October. And, in this sense, the immediate reaction on Putin's plutonium ultimatum on 3. October, https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-10-04/putin-s-ultimatum-to-the-next-u-s-president which was obviously also in public.
So which is it:
1) the Washington Post as a "liberal" newspaper "friendly to Obama", somehow managing to embarrass him in public yet again (while making Putin look tough)
or 2) Obama showing his domestic enemies why he wasn't pressing US war in Syria - recall that he was under serious domestic pressure to do exactly that, despite its obvious hazard with regard to Russia.
it's 1! Of course. Your expertise in evaluating American media once again provides you with information you otherwise lack.
Ok, (2) is something one has to think about. But, no, not really plausible. Obama presenting himself, openly and intentionally, as the chicken against Putin? Seriously?

Of course, I do not know that much about American mentality. But it is not my idea (the Saker often mentions that point) that one of the greatest dangers for a world war is that chicken game mentality, that the Americans think they can play such chicken games with everybody. And then, if confronted with somebody who does not chicken out, does not want to be a chicken himself. Add a little bit of misinformation about the real American military power (beyond propaganda), which is also quite common (look at joepistole), and you have a war.

Any thoughts on how Trump would tend to respond to Putin grandstanding like that?
and Trump has declared quite openly that he is quite prepared to use them again, and believes he would be morally right in doing so... ( see his campaign Video and don't bother with text media)
Putin seems so unconcerned why?
Trump knows Putin and therefore will not start playing such chicken games with him.
 
Trump knows Putin and therefore will not start playing such chicken games with him.
hee hee you mean he knew Putin before he became POTUS. Before he knew what he was getting himself into...lol

Just think of all the conspiracy theories he had in his head ...LOL
so Trump finally gets an eyeful of what he is in charge of...hmmmm enough to blow anyone's mind...and ego!

Chicken games! lol

Propaganda maybe:
IRON-FISTED Russian President Vladimir Putin has fired his entire naval fleet's officer class in the Baltic Sea amid concerns in the Kremlin that the fleet is was not following orders to engage western ships.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world...icer-class-coverup-claims-submarine-collision

The Russians have been playing Chicken for ages...
 
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You forget that we are in the age of informational warfare.
Neither Obama or Putin was getting their information from the Washington Post. Trump - Trump doesn't read, so something on TV would be the ticket.
Ok, (2) is something one has to think about. But, no, not really plausible. Obama presenting himself, openly and intentionally, as the chicken against Putin? Seriously?
Yes. It's the obvious explanation if you insist on assuming he planted the article in the first place - what else would he have expected as a response? And you mistake the reaction among those (the Republican faction, now in power led by Trump) who were pushing him for greater belligerence in Syria - it wasn't a game of chicken with them, but an illustration of the hazards of what they advocated.
And don't forget that the Washington Post article was on 4. October. And, in this sense, the immediate reaction on Putin's plutonium ultimatum on 3. October, https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-10-04/putin-s-ultimatum-to-the-next-u-s-president which was obviously also in public.
It takes more than a day to write a newspaper article like that.
Trump knows Putin and therefore will not start playing such chicken games with him.
Of course, I do not know that much about American mentality.
Living and learning about Americans like Trump. More lessons are coming your way.
 
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You only have to sit through a couple of Trump selfies (videos) to work out his personality traits , character and attitudes... sheesh!
I suppose you are going to suggest that the videos are fake as well?
No, I leave such fake accusations to iceaura. I'm simply not a psychologist, and don't have good abilities to identify personality traits and so on. Ok, if I evaluate my own experiences travelling a lot through a lot of countries, it was not much what I lost by cheating. Essentially only overpaying 100% (but nonetheless remaining in my budget limits) for paying in advance for a hotel for three months. Which was an error even on the base of what I have already known (he talked to me in some private conversation about the value of trust and honesty, which is a strong indication for a cheater). So I know that my abilities in this domain are limited. They are sufficient for survival, so, if really necessary, I can rely on them, but not more.

So I will do what you recommend, if I see enough reason to do it. Or if some accidental video I see will really struck me, as in the case of these Clinton videos. But in general I consider myself more competent in other domains.

well you have ... so that makes you pretty stupid by your own words.
Really? Explain.

You remember this discussion? Some guy blamed moon of alabama to propose some Nazi ideology, and then, obviously as an insult, posted a picture of an open German Nazi seen in some Nazi demonstration in Germany, naming it "Gerhard, the Moon of Alabama blogger". https://louisproyect.org/2013/12/20/jew-baiting-okay-at-moon-of-alabama-but-not-me/ No evidence at all that they are really the same person, and as I see it, not even the intention to do it - this was simply an insult in form of a picture.
...and have another think about your "'tis only" Gold comment... ( re: idea about converting currencies into shares)
No, your "currencies as shares" idea looks like utopian nonsense, not worth to care about. And once I don't care about, I'm unable to give a serious, detailed refutation of it.
You have Bitcoin...? Maybe you could start a thread on the yay and nay of Bitcoin ?
Not really. Bitcoin is highly speculative. You should have the ability to invest some money and not to care at several years. After this, they may be lost completely, or may be worth much more than you invested. If I would sell my bitcoins today, I would have made 1000% or so. I leave them, because I do not need that money now. In three years I will take another look what they are worth.

In fact, there are two possibilities: (1) bitcoin will be completely dead after some time, so the investment will be lost completely. (2) it will really become the internet currency, used seriously for internet trade. In this case, it will be worth much more than today. For a very simple economic reason: How much money you need, depends on the overall volume of sales. Once the amount of money is finite and essentially fixed now, the way how these two things - and increasing volume of trade, and a constant amount of money - are coordinated on the market is the increase of the value of the bitcoin. So, if the volume of sales made in bitcoin increases by a factor 10, the value of a bitcoin will increase by a factor 10 too. So, if bitcoin becomes the world currency, and you invest now, you will get a large return.

Ok, the factor 10 if the turnover gets a factor 10 is a heavy exaggeration. Because there are some ways to reduces this factor essentially. Say, assume you have an internet-based (probably darknet-based) bitcoin bank. People have accounts there, nominated in bitcoins. But to organize transfers of money between different accounts of the same bank, the bank does not need bitcoins. A transfer from account A to account B can be organized without any bitcoin transfer. Similarly, if you have two bitcoin banks, they can organize the bitcoin exchange between them via some swap. Bank A has an account at bank B and reverse, and make a real bitcoin transfer only if the sum of the trade during one day (or one hour) exceeds the limits of the swap between the banks. So, real bitcoin transfers may be much less than such bank transfers. And this, of course, reduces also the amount of bitcoins really necessary to organize this.

But anyway, if bitcoin becomes the internet currency it does not matter. If you invest a months salary now, you will win years of salary. Or loose your month salary completely. Which is quite probable, given that all states are heavily interested in the ability to make money by printing them. And that a currency can survive with all states being against it is a quite risky guess.
btw if you want to know of a good anti hack program let me know ok....or is it too late for you?
The first anti hack is simple - using Linux. The second would be using the Tor browser for the internet. The third torchat for private communications. Anything beyond this you would need only if you really do illegal things, else this would be paranoia.
 
Neither Obama or Putin was getting their information from the Washington Post. Trump - Trump doesn't read, so something on TV would be the ticket.
They have guys who study Washington Post.
It's the obvious explanation if you insist on assuming he planted the article in the first place - what else would he have expected as a response?
No response, meaning that there will be no warlike Russian reaction. After this, he would have bombed, looking like a tough guy and supporting Clinton in the election.
And you mistake the reaction among those (the Republican faction, now in power led by Trump) who were pushing him for greater belligerence in Syria - it wasn't a game of chicken with them, but an illustration of the hazards of what they advocated.
In case you have misunderstood, it was not a game of chicken with the Republicans, but with Russia.
It takes more than a day to write a newspaper article like that.
ROTFLBTC.
 
Not really. Bitcoin is highly speculative. You should have the ability to invest some money and not to care at several years. After this, they may be lost completely, or may be worth much more than you invested. If I would sell my bitcoins today, I would have made 1000% or so. I leave them, because I do not need that money now. In three years I will take another look what they are worth.

In fact, there are two possibilities: (1) bitcoin will be completely dead after some time, so the investment will be lost completely. (2) it will really become the internet currency, used seriously for internet trade. In this case, it will be worth much more than today. For a very simple economic reason: How much money you need, depends on the overall volume of sales. Once the amount of money is finite and essentially fixed now, the way how these two things - and increasing volume of trade, and a constant amount of money - are coordinated on the market is the increase of the value of the bitcoin. So, if the volume of sales made in bitcoin increases by a factor 10, the value of a bitcoin will increase by a factor 10 too. So, if bitcoin becomes the world currency, and you invest now, you will get a large return.

Ok, the factor 10 if the turnover gets a factor 10 is a heavy exaggeration. Because there are some ways to reduces this factor essentially. Say, assume you have an internet-based (probably darknet-based) bitcoin bank. People have accounts there, nominated in bitcoins. But to organize transfers of money between different accounts of the same bank, the bank does not need bitcoins. A transfer from account A to account B can be organized without any bitcoin transfer. Similarly, if you have two bitcoin banks, they can organize the bitcoin exchange between them via some swap. Bank A has an account at bank B and reverse, and make a real bitcoin transfer only if the sum of the trade during one day (or one hour) exceeds the limits of the swap between the banks. So, real bitcoin transfers may be much less than such bank transfers. And this, of course, reduces also the amount of bitcoins really necessary to organize this.

But anyway, if bitcoin becomes the internet currency it does not matter. If you invest a months salary now, you will win years of salary. Or loose your month salary completely. Which is quite probable, given that all states are heavily interested in the ability to make money by printing them. And that a currency can survive with all states being against it is a quite risky guess.
The problem with Bit coin in the context of our discussion is that it is really just a rehash of an old idea.

For the world to move towards a universal currency it needs to change the nature of currency itself. At the moment you have a token with a value attached It has no meaning beyond that. By changing the value to an actual share in the nations wealth you change attitudes towards that currency. Change the attitude and you change the world. It could be argued that a dollar is also a share and true it is... but not quite...as the world moves to a higher employment redundancy individual shareholding in shares ( old dollars) allows for a dividend to be paid. ( based on shares held ) That dividend ultimately replaces social welfare...
or so the thought goes...
 
They have guys who study Washington Post.
Not to discover US military tactics and operations.
And they have guys who talked to Obama's guys in the various embassies, and so forth. They have satellites and recon gear in Syria. They even have spies.
No response, meaning that there will be no warlike Russian reaction. After this, he would have bombed, looking like a tough guy and supporting Clinton in the election.
And telephones, ambassadors, embassy staff, backchannel communications, military intelligence, third party trial balloons, none of that stuff, exists in your world.
You think Obama floated that in a public newspaper, risking embarrassment and worse, without knowing how Putin would respond, in order to find out. Seriously, you believe that.
And you think Obama would have treated "no response" to a newspaper article as a reliable indication of Russian reaction to actual bombing, reliable enough to bet the public loss of aircraft and pilots, relibale enough to bet on war with Russia over, in the absence of any other information.
And you think bombing Syria would have benefitted Clinton in the election - at the same time as you repost the standard Republican schtick that Clinton is a warmonger who wants to bomb everybody, and Clinton is trying to portray Trump as a reckless guy likely to bomb people.
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"And you mistake the reaction among those (the Republican faction, now in power led by Trump) who were pushing him for greater belligerence in Syria - it wasn't a game of chicken with them, but an illustration of the hazards of what they advocated."
In case you have misunderstood, it was not a game of chicken with the Republicans, but with Russia.
And since you obviously aren't paying attention, I have to repeat: not for Obama, and not for the US Republicans. If you are going to insist on this play-toy Hollywood theatre of communication between Obama and Putin regarding Syria, at least recognize the context: Obama didn't want to risk bombing Assad's forces, a faction of generals and Republicans in the US government wanted him to do that and more, and he was being badgered in public about it. Any public stuff engineered by Obama would first and principally have been aimed at his domestic enemies - Putin he has much more reliable ways of communicating with.

Or you could take a more likely tack: supposing the article was planted, who would be the likely source? Clearly Obama's enemies, not Obama - people who had an interest in making Obama and anyone associated with Obama look weak, and who had a good idea what Putin would do (or even a direct line to Putin). The Washington Post would certainly cooperate.
 
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No response, meaning that there will be no warlike Russian reaction.

And you know this how? Are you speaking for the Russian government? And what makes you think the Russian government is credible given all the many lies it has told and continues to tell?
 
No, I leave such fake accusations to iceaura. I'm simply not a psychologist, and don't have good abilities to identify personality traits and so on. Ok, if I evaluate my own experiences travelling a lot through a lot of countries, it was not much what I lost by cheating. Essentially only overpaying 100% (but nonetheless remaining in my budget limits) for paying in advance for a hotel for three months. Which was an error even on the base of what I have already known (he talked to me in some private conversation about the value of trust and honesty, which is a strong indication for a cheater). So I know that my abilities in this domain are limited. They are sufficient for survival, so, if really necessary, I can rely on them, but not more.

So I will do what you recommend, if I see enough reason to do it. Or if some accidental video I see will really struck me, as in the case of these Clinton videos. But in general I consider myself more competent in other domains.
90% of credible info comes from video at least. and you hadn't and haven't watched any video?
Little wonder you are posting like a nutter....

A really good clip is the one when Trump meets the CIA for the first meeting.
That one tells you all you need to know (just about)
 
The President of the United States just condemned a company for not enriching his family. If a regular fed employee used their official position to enrich a family member's business interests in such a blatant fashion, they would lose their job and go to jail. However we can count on Congress to do absolutely nothing. The bar drops daily.

Trump lashes out at Nordstrom in a tweet for dropping his daughter’s apparel line
 
The President of the United States just condemned a company for not enriching his family. If a regular fed employee used their official position to enrich a family member's business interests in such a blatant fashion, they would lose their job and go to jail. However we can count on Congress to do absolutely nothing. The bar drops daily.

Trump lashes out at Nordstrom in a tweet for dropping his daughter’s apparel line
South Korean style protest looks more and more promising... (result: impeachment)
Same with Romanian protests ( result: successfully prevent relaxation of anti corruption laws)
Same with Brazilian protests ( result: impeachment)
the list just keeps on getting bigger every day...

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The President of the United States just condemned a company for not enriching his family. If a regular fed employee used their official position to enrich a family member's business interests in such a blatant fashion, they would lose their job and go to jail. However we can count on Congress to do absolutely nothing. The bar drops daily.

Trump lashes out at Nordstrom in a tweet for dropping his daughter’s apparel line
And Nordstrom's stock went up 4%; boy, it that isn't a snub, I don't know what is. Trump's supporters aren't Nordstrom shoppers. They are Walmart shoppers.

Trump is playing the victim card again. This is a play to his base as well as his pocketbook. Trump likes to represent him as a persecuted Christ like figure. It's the, "I'm doing this for you" at great personal expense to me crap.
 
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