Check this link for some interesting economics...maybe not just "Russia making money"...
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The Syrian "Revolution": A Farce from Beginning to End
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Check this link for some interesting economics...maybe not just "Russia making money"...
- link to NASDAQ / Raytheon : http://www.nasdaq.com/symbol/rtn/interactive-chart?timeframe=1y&charttype=line
mm look who joined the Halliburton club, the makers of the fear-me "Patriot" missiles. If only Hughes Network was open for stock now...they would be rolling in money too. Mr. Pradman P. Kaul is sure rolling his sleeves in agitation now...
Honeywell isn't doing bad either. What a coincidence.
It's not working too badly. But I'm in favor of targeting the weapons themselves. We might have our own chemical bombs that can neutralize chemical weapons.
And than who is going to stop the use of chemical weapon bombs against chemical weapons destruction?
Who would want to?
Bells
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Like you?
Again, it's not about America. It is about an absolute breach of the convention and mass murder through the use of a chemical weapon. And if we do nothing, then that Convention won't be worth the paper it is written on and we could very well see an era of chemical weapons becoming a part of conventional weapons in war. Is that what you would prefer?
Captain Kremmen said:
The point is to destroy his stocks.billvon said:
I don't understand how this is so difficult for people to grasp.
You're all so busy worrying about Al Qaeda getting their hands on these weapons that you cannot even grasp the dangers of what is happening right now. Right now we have a mass killer in power, sitting on one of the largest stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons and who had no qualms about using his chemical weapons against his own civilian population. Do you seriously think he is going to stop?
He didn't stop, while in the middle of the world's outrage after the 21st of August, when he bombed a school playground with kids playing in it with what may have been napalm. This is a better solution for you? A better alternative? Yes or no? Oh noes, Al Qaeda could get those weapons, best we just leave him to murder his own civilians by the fucking thousands instead...
In the meantime, you might as well take the Convention is use it to wipe your collective backsides. Because if we do nothing, it will be worth nothing more than toilet paper.
So we do nothing and he continues to gas his people and if the result of that is 20,000 innocents then what? You worry about terrorists getting their hands on chemical weapons but in reality a terrorist already has his hands on chemical weapons.
Then that is a tragedy. But I would much, much, much rather be trying to clean up from a tragedy someone else caused than causing that tragedy ourselves.
We cannot save the world from the world's monsters. We can, however, make sure that we are not one of the monsters.
No, Assad will not one day fire Sarin rounds into the New York subway system.
Bells
Staff member
Didn't you see? Billvon prefers that Assad has the chemical weapons than they be destroyed by a US strike in case Al Qaeda gets control of them.
In short, he'd rather see Assad use them against civilians (because this is what Assad is doing with them) than risk the chance of Al Qaeda getting their hands on them. Astounding...
Nope. I'd rather that NO ONE uses them.
Bells
Staff member
So it's okay, so long as it's Muslims dying in the Middle East instead of Americans possibly facing danger in the subway from chemical weapons if Al Qaeda gets them? Is that what you're saying?
While he may not fire rounds into the New York subway system, he and his ally (Iran) may very well fire rounds into Israel, Jordan and Turkey. But hey, so long as the New York subway is safe, that's all that matters, isn't it?
I mean, he can fire sarin rounds into his civilian population and our hands stay clean, that's fine, is it? Heaven forbid we use a few missiles to destroy those chemical weapon stocks. No. Better he just commits mass murder against his own civilians by gasing them to death, just in case Al Qaeda gets them.. Tell me, what will happen if the rebels win the war and they get their hands on it then? Is that when you would intervene? When your precious subway could be endangered?
You are a piece of work, you know that?
Bells
Staff member
Well someone is using them.
What do you suggest be done about it?
Oh wait, you'd prefer he has them and controls them (and he is using them against innocent civilians) than run the risk of Al Qaeda getting close to them..
Al Quida wouldn't have them if we destroy them. If we do nothing and the rebels win, then they will also have them.
Profit is always made by someone in a Capitalist economy, you know that. My misfortune could be your gain? What is new? The real question is what purpose are these weapons being used for and what is the goal? Are we selling them to Assad?
DMOE, my husband is in the army and I have ran across a few white supremacist's at our stay at Lewis McChord, are you one?
Yeah, this is just another example of your overly simplistic and magical thinking that is so dominate in your thought processes. There is this little thing called reality that you keep ignoring. I’d rather be able to have absolute control of entropy too. But that isn’t going to happen either.
More evidence of Assad's culpability, this time directly from Iran. Quoting the first half of the article from Lebanon's YaLibnan website:
Source: http://www.yalibnan.com/2013/09/04/iran-ex-president-hints-at-divisions-over-support-for-assad/#more-64933
There was an article on YaLibnan yesterday that referred to the same comments, but since the original source had erased the comments from its website, and thus the original proof, I didn't bother to mention it here. Now we've got the tape.
I added back the link to the audio recording from the original article, but here it is for posterity. If Iran's leaders know and/or believe Assad was responsible and genuinely oppose what he's done, then they're morally obliged to act.
Source: http://www.yalibnan.com/2013/09/04/iran-ex-president-hints-at-divisions-over-support-for-assad/#more-64933
There was an article on YaLibnan yesterday that referred to the same comments, but since the original source had erased the comments from its website, and thus the original proof, I didn't bother to mention it here. Now we've got the tape.
I added back the link to the audio recording from the original article, but here it is for posterity. If Iran's leaders know and/or believe Assad was responsible and genuinely oppose what he's done, then they're morally obliged to act.
An Interesting Proposition
An interesting proposition, and one that should be taken up with Congress.
There is, after all, an emerging context for authorization, and that excludes ground forces. This makes a certain amount of domestic political sense, but the reality is that anything the U.S. does, short of sending in ground troops to physically seize those weapons leaves them in play.
I'm not sure what combination of conventional weapons can hit the chemical stores from the sky in such a fashion as to both guarantee total destruction and escape collateral damage.
Pursuing the arsenal with boots on the ground might well move Assad to deploy them into the theatre on a massive scale, but that's the problem we've faced since the outset. The mere fact of this red line means we believe we are going up against forces demonstrably willing to use sarin on the battlefield.
This could easily become the most infamous American military adventure of all time. Indeed, the prospect of "turn[ing] those chemical weapons over to Al Qaeda" is very nearly the least of our worries at present. To wit, if the weapons stay out of Al Qaeda's hands because they are laid thick over the corpses of soldiers and civilians alike, I'm doubtful we could call that a success.
Whenever I find myself standing among company such as Ramesh Ponnuru and Sen. John McCain, we all probably need to take a step back and try to get a handle on whatever it is we're about to do. Or so says me; it seems the wise retort to an omen so perverse.
Billvon said:
An interesting proposition, and one that should be taken up with Congress.
There is, after all, an emerging context for authorization, and that excludes ground forces. This makes a certain amount of domestic political sense, but the reality is that anything the U.S. does, short of sending in ground troops to physically seize those weapons leaves them in play.
I'm not sure what combination of conventional weapons can hit the chemical stores from the sky in such a fashion as to both guarantee total destruction and escape collateral damage.
Pursuing the arsenal with boots on the ground might well move Assad to deploy them into the theatre on a massive scale, but that's the problem we've faced since the outset. The mere fact of this red line means we believe we are going up against forces demonstrably willing to use sarin on the battlefield.
This could easily become the most infamous American military adventure of all time. Indeed, the prospect of "turn[ing] those chemical weapons over to Al Qaeda" is very nearly the least of our worries at present. To wit, if the weapons stay out of Al Qaeda's hands because they are laid thick over the corpses of soldiers and civilians alike, I'm doubtful we could call that a success.
Whenever I find myself standing among company such as Ramesh Ponnuru and Sen. John McCain, we all probably need to take a step back and try to get a handle on whatever it is we're about to do. Or so says me; it seems the wise retort to an omen so perverse.
Bells
Staff member
An oopsie..
And it keeps mounting...
Perhaps the retard thought that using it in smaller amounts and diluted to murder just a few would draw less attention from the world?
And Billvon prefers he keeps control of them.. Even though he 'lost his nerve' and started to use them against his own civilians when things got dicey in his civil war. Yes, this is the person we are meant to trust to maintain control of such weapons?
Ugh.. I'm going to bed. Night.
According to Der Spiegel, Gerhard Schindler, the head of the BND external intelligence service, told MPs in Berlin on Monday that while there was still no "incontestable proof," analysis of the evidence has led his service to believe that Assad's regime is to blame. Schindler also emphasized that the rebels were unable to carry out such a concerted attack.
In line with the three other western assessments, the German spy chief stressed the size of Syria's CW arsenal and its ability to use it. Schindler also believes CW had been used on a smaller scale before August 21. Britain's Joint Intelligence Committee assessment counted 14 separate incidents — though it has not publicized its evidence. Schindler said that in the earlier attacks the poison gas mixture was diluted, explaining the much lower death tolls in those assaults.
The UK assessment, the sketchiest of the three published reports, admitted that it could not explain Assad's motivation, especially given the presence in Damascus of UN inspectors investigating previous incidents. But Germany has followed France and the US in suggesting that chemical weapons had been used to intimidate the rebels and capture territory in a crucial battle for Damascus, especially to the east of the capital.
There is a twist: "It could also be the case that errors were made in mixing the gas and it was much more potent than anticipated," Schindler said. Estimates of fatalities range from the US figure of 1429 to the French one of 281.
The German take on the current crisis is likely to be taken seriously. The BND has a track record of good intelligence "coverage" of Lebanon and Syria (and Iran) and has often played a role mediating between Israel, Damascus and Hezbollah.
In line with the three other western assessments, the German spy chief stressed the size of Syria's CW arsenal and its ability to use it. Schindler also believes CW had been used on a smaller scale before August 21. Britain's Joint Intelligence Committee assessment counted 14 separate incidents — though it has not publicized its evidence. Schindler said that in the earlier attacks the poison gas mixture was diluted, explaining the much lower death tolls in those assaults.
The UK assessment, the sketchiest of the three published reports, admitted that it could not explain Assad's motivation, especially given the presence in Damascus of UN inspectors investigating previous incidents. But Germany has followed France and the US in suggesting that chemical weapons had been used to intimidate the rebels and capture territory in a crucial battle for Damascus, especially to the east of the capital.
There is a twist: "It could also be the case that errors were made in mixing the gas and it was much more potent than anticipated," Schindler said. Estimates of fatalities range from the US figure of 1429 to the French one of 281.
Schindler also presented an additional clue, one that has not thus far been made public. He said that the BND listened in on a conversation between a high-ranking member of the Lebanese militia Hezbollah, which supports Assad and provides his regime with military assistance, and the Iranian embassy (it does not say whether this was in Beirut or Damascus) . The Hezbollah functionary, Schindler reported, seems to have admitted that poison gas was used. He said that Assad lost his nerve and made a big mistake by ordering the chemical weapons attack.
The new information from the BND could become important in the coming days. Thus far the US has only noted that after the attack, intelligence agencies had intercepted internal government communications indicating concern about a possible UN inspection of the site. The telephone conversation intercepted by the BND could be an important piece in the puzzle currently being assembled by Western intelligence experts.
The new information from the BND could become important in the coming days. Thus far the US has only noted that after the attack, intelligence agencies had intercepted internal government communications indicating concern about a possible UN inspection of the site. The telephone conversation intercepted by the BND could be an important piece in the puzzle currently being assembled by Western intelligence experts.
The German take on the current crisis is likely to be taken seriously. The BND has a track record of good intelligence "coverage" of Lebanon and Syria (and Iran) and has often played a role mediating between Israel, Damascus and Hezbollah.
And it keeps mounting...
Perhaps the retard thought that using it in smaller amounts and diluted to murder just a few would draw less attention from the world?
And Billvon prefers he keeps control of them.. Even though he 'lost his nerve' and started to use them against his own civilians when things got dicey in his civil war. Yes, this is the person we are meant to trust to maintain control of such weapons?
Ugh.. I'm going to bed. Night.
I posted a YaLibnan reference to that same article yesterday. It's not just the US, Israel, France and Britain who are now convinced based on their own intel. I think at this point there's also plentiful evidence that far more than 281 people died in the attacks- the French estimate is just the ones who died in the 3 hospitals they were running through MSF, and I think it was actually pegged at upwards of 355 dead, 3600 wounded in those hospitals alone.
The choice of being a Good German or possibly enabling Al Qaeda is not an enviable position.