Zero Mass said:
First off, you make me sick. If this is a real problem in your life, you smoke up,
then you need to get a life. For a lot of people their problem is they can't smoke up. And for those of us that live in the real world, death is a problem.
First off, you want to know why this world sucks? Well then take a good long look in the f'ing mirror sweetheart, because it's hateful, judgemental, and vile sentiment just like yours that makes it that way, you bigot.
And death isn't a problem for those of us who know how, or in Whom rather, to overcome it. The only reason that it's such a problem for you is because it's all you've got...this wretched stinking world and all of it's misery is all you've got to look to...no wonder you're so disappointed and pissed off. But don't blame me or anyone else or even God for that matter because that is all you choose to see, it's no one's fault but your own. You stick your head in the sand, and then whine around about how uncomfortable you are, and that everything looks so dark. If you choose to be blind, then be blind, but stop whining about it...it's your own choice. Otherwise, pull your head out of whatever dark, cavernous recess you have it shoved up into, and get a clue.
The Holocaust? Eh? how about ethnic cleansing in the Balkans? Or what is going on in Darfur right now? Or what Europeans did to the native north and south americans? Or a million other horrible acts. To say that everything will turn out good in the end is not only wrong and illogical, but it is plain evil. If some mass murderer snuck through your window tonight and smothered you to death that is not a good thing. that is sick to believe that everything that is bad has a good end, that is not the way adults think and the real world works. Grow up.
Speak for yourself, you're the one ranting like some five year old spoiled brat who had his lollipop taken away. You want to change the world? Take a look at yourself...that's always a great place to start. As a matter of fact, I have found that it's the only way. You can't control anyone else, but you can control yourself, Saint Zero.
And allow me to reiterate once again...sin is indeed horrible, and not good. The effects of sin are the very suffering and pain and sickness and death that you are complaining of, and I don't like it any more than you do. Apparently I like it even less than you do, since I choose salvation from it, and an eternal life without it. The only good end lies in God...the only good end lies within the salvation from this evil that He offers in Christ. And so what do you do? Turn your nose up in the air and refuse it? If I can't have it my way then I don't want it at all? You would rather be some mindless puppet? You would rather be a slave to ignorance? You would rather not have a choice? You would rather be forced to commune with Him and blindly follow His law? Well then you might make a great pet...but His pet is not what you were created to be.
On the "Spouting Inane Bull" exam you get an A+, on the "Talking like an Adult, and not a naive child" exam, you fail with an F-
Really though, this kind of "logic" was fine in kindergarten, but the rest of us matured and left the idealistic and illogical behind. While you are throwing out your ill-conceived ideas about good and evil, please also realize that Christopher Columbus was a sadistic asshole and the war on drugs, homelessness, and terrorism don't work.
Sorry, I am ranting. It is just this kind of rampant ignorance is stunning. Listen, if there were a god and he was benevolent then why make pain at all? Why make chaos? Who the hell says we have to suffer in order to enjoy things? and your definition of joy through sorrow is just plain wrong, and like I pointed out to you before (even though I do admit I know nothing abbout you, I would wager your family is still intact and not murdered in their sleep, and I would also hope that you have never been gang-raped) I would wager that you cannot think of what TRUE sorrow means. Your relative sorrow is NOTHING compared to the tragedy of real strife, true sorrow that I think that you would have trouble explaining as an act of god. Tell me why god would allow girls to be raped before they hit puberty. Tell me why YOUR god would allow soldiers in Sudan to throw babies up in the air for target practice. Please explain to them, not me, why god loves them and that is why millions starve to death every year.
It is you who needs to open up a science text book dear. This is law we're talking about, and any time there is law, there exists the possibility of a transgression of it. Take a running leap off of a 30 story building and see if the effects of gravity don't suck...yea, pretty damn bloody. Does that mean that gravity is a bad thing? Well according to your logic it does. What is the only alternative to order? Hello, it's chaos. What is the alternative to love? It's hate. You have a choice, and your sentiment is pretty clear. What is the trangression of God's law? It's sin. What does God say about sin? He hates it. Will we remain in it forever? No, that's why He came here in the flesh as the ultimate sacrifice for it. And so whoever so chooses, can receive salvation through this sacrifice, as His wrath will surely destroy this sinful flesh and the remains of the devastating effects of it. Why do you think that what Jesus suffered was so horrible? Take a look around...because the effects of sin are so horrible, that's why.
You don't have to suffer to enjoy things, and you do not find joy through sorrow. But to suffer and to feel sorrow, you know what the effects of sin are, because you've experienced them, and so in knowledge, you can choose something better...the alternative.
And who are you kidding? Judging from your sentiment, it is pretty clear that nothing would make you happier than to see me gang raped. Apparently that's the only thing that would qualify me to have an opinion in a conversation with you. Which leads me to wonder if you yourself have been gang raped, or have had your family murdered in their sleep, because if not, then you don't have a valid opinion either. And that's according to your own logic...and I use that term very loosely here to make a point.
Fact is that I indeed have suffered because of the malicious intentions of men. I have been scared to death by them actually, and that fear has led me to believe lies that have caused me all kinds of strife. I have suffered mostly though, because of my own sin. And yes, it is all relative, but all it takes is compassion, and you are then suffering in sympathy. The truth is that whether we choose to recognize it or not, we all suffer due to everyone's sin, because we all live in the same ultimate condition of death...we all live in the same deadly world. Just because your flesh may be comfortable, does not mean that you are not suffering. Just because you deny your suffering does not mean that you are not suffering...it just means that you are ignoring the truth about this world, and believing the lies of your flesh.
And just because God allows us the free will to experience sin and it's effects does not mean that He condones it. God hates it more than you do. It is not God who tells a man to sin, but not to...and man turns against God and does it anyway.
Listen to reason: god does not exist. There is nobody behind the smoke and mirrors of "good and evil". They, like god himself, are constructs of the human mind to help cope with war, disease, famine, and evil. If god did exist and was "good" then he would not allow the kind of evil I mentioned above. The truth is he doesn't exist. A just god would step in, hell if I was god I would step in, unless of course I was malevolent then I would do nothing. The FACT of the matter is god does not and we are only to blame for the evil of the world. It is useless to talk about divine intervention stepping in and saving anybody.
What? Step in and and do something about it like come to earth Himself in the form of a man named Jesus Christ and offer Himself up to suffering as a sacrifice in atonement for all of the world's sin so that every man can have salvation through it? DUH....
And please stop talking out of both sides of your mouth...do you realize how stupid what you just said was? You said that evil was of "smoke and mirrors", and a construct of the human mind, to help cope with evil. So in your apparent nonsensical mind, what God defines as evil is an illusion, and what we define as evil in the world is reality, when in fact, they are by definition one in the same...exactly the same.
So you talk about how a just God would have to step in and save us from what is clearly our own deeds, and then in the next breath you deny the worth of salvation from divine intervention. Fine...you don't want help? You don't want salvation? You get what you want. You want to rely on yourself for your own salvation? You want to rely on this world? Well good luck with that, because history speaks for itself now doesn't it.
The beef I have with religion is that the money, resources, and manpower that could go to the solving the problems of war, hunger, disease, and inequality all over the world is instead pissed away on you going to church on sunday for the bullshit reason that you are going to go to heaven when you die. Think for one minute. Your selfish act of "spiritual growth" is taking food out of the mouth of somebody dying in nother country. Please, review what I have written and think about it with a clear mind. What makes more sense, a world with or without god.
First of all, I don't go to church, I am the church. And I do what I can even given my own sinful nature, which is what I would imagine to be no more or less or better or worse than what you do. Spiritual growth is not attained by going to a particular building that is run by a particular organization on a particular day and doing particular things while there. Spiritual growth comes only by rebirth through the Holy Spirit and is something profoundly personal. It also involves a conviction of sin, and a required repentence of it, which is a turning away. What I have learned through rebirth and by the counsel of the Holy Spirit has led me to turn away from some sin in my life. Sin that hurt me and hurt others around me. I do not take credit for this change. All I wanted was the truth, and to do what was right, but it was the power of God that manifested this change in me. It is clear to me that there is much to learn, and that I will be a work in progress until the day I die. It is clear to me that death is the only "fix" to this problem of sin, but that doesn't mean I can't try my best. And so the best thing that I can do to try to effect positive change in this world, which is to eliminate what sin I can, is to seek God more and more. You want to consider that a selfish act, you go right ahead. But I seek God in my life for the very same reasons that you are so pissed off...because I hate sin and the effects of it.
And as many problems as I have with organized religion...so much so that I can not bring myself to participate in it....organized religion has funded and perpetuated more humanitarian efforts in this world than all other secular organizations combined. Have they done everything right? No. Have they fucked up royaly and in many ways? Yes. But so have I and so have you. And after all, it stands to reason, since they are only an organization of sinners. What have you done to save the world you hypocrit? I suppose you live some meager existence like some monk so that you can give all of your money to charity right? I suppose that you spend all of your free time volunteering to feed and shelter those in need right? I suppose that you constantly give of yourself to others and offer your time and resources and money to those who are hurting right? What are YOU doing to change the world besides bitching about it?
XOXO,
Lori
