The Pope speaks: Muhammad had brought the world only "evil and inhuman" things. !!!!!

Baron Max said:
No, sorry, Sam, but you're wrong ......the people suck, too!!!! :)

And even if you don't believe it, I'm glad you came here, too. I'm just glad you don't live within artillery-shell range of my home! ...LOL!

Baron Max
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I don't consider the forum as my sample Baron or I would think the people suck too!

I've made some good friends here tho' and I've travelled a bit (except in the West, that's for next year) so I can safely say they don't. :)
 
samcdkey said:
I've made some good friends here tho' and I've travelled a bit (except in the West, that's for next year) so I can safely say they don't.
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I'm tellin' you from lots of years of experience, Sam, ....don't trust 'em!! Humans suck, and I ain't just pullin' yer' leg! Oh, sure, sometimes they seem like the nicest people on Earth, but just when you let down yer' guard, poof, they fuck you over big time!

Don't trust 'em, Sam, or you'll be fucked over time and time again ......and not in the good way, either! :)

Baron Max
 
Baron Max said:
Responsible for? In other words, you're still not going to condemn the willful murder of innocent women and children by mad-dog terrorists? You still want to try to spread the blame around ....so as to keep from making that simple condemnation?

Do you feel the same way about murderers, Sam? You don't condemn murder, but blame it on something waaaaay back in history?

But responsible for? Why not Palestinians? Nor Yemen? Nor Sudan? Nor Afghanistan? Nor Iran? Nor Syria? Nor .........any of the other gazillion Muslim nations and people of the world? Just like that ...only the US and Saudi??????

And, Sam, just so you know, I don't think a sovereign NATION can commit "terrorism" ....I'm pretty sure that "terrorism" is limited to individuals.

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Dear baron,

for a person who says "So what's wrong with a few good holocausts now and then" i dont think you have any right to act all righteous with Sam

with regards to terrorism, of course states can commit acts of terror, basically you are such a necon puddle your definition of terrorism is (as stated in abnother thread)"What methods our enemies use to kill us"
 
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5356820.stm

Pope comment 'linked to crusade'



The Pope's statement has failed to defuse the anger of many Muslims.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has said recent remarks by the Pope on Islam were in line with what he called a "crusade" against Muslims.

The background to the controversy, he said, was the "wish of powers whose survival depends on creating crises".

The row began last week, when the Pope repeated criticism of the Prophet Muhammad by a medieval scholar.

The speech sparked worldwide protests by Muslims. The Pope has apologised and said the views quoted were not his own.

Ayatollah Khamenei said the remarks by Pope Benedict XVI last Tuesday were the "latest link" in "the chain of a conspiracy to set in train a crusade".

Other links, he added, included the cartoon satirising Muhammad and "the insulting remarks of some American and European politicians and newspapers about Islam".

Influential Qatari Muslim scholar, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, called for a day of anger on Friday.

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"Influential Qatari Muslim scholar, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, called for a day of anger on Friday."


I wonder whats going to happen on friday the 13th, churches burned worldwide & nuns & priests shot?

I wonder what part of (POPE)"im deeply sorry" muslims dont get here?
 
Muslim said:
I wonder if the pope had ever heard of the Spanish Inquisition...Or maybe the Conquistadors?
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yeah, I’m sure he heard of that, but I’d like to know 4 things from you:
1) why are you surprised that the Christian West acted like muslims then, they learned it all from you guys, Jihad works both ways, you don’t think they should have all laid meekly down to Islamic dominance just because they are labeled as infidels from the House of War, do you?
2) as a Mexican, I see that the Spanish learned some lessons from their Arab & Berber masters of the Almoravid & Almohad lines, see below

http://lexicorient.com/e.o/almoravids.htm
The Almoravids were a group of zealous Muslims, originating in southern Mauritania. Their Muslim orientation was one of simple and basic rules. Their theological foundation had been formed by Ahdallah Abdallah bni Yasin.
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http://lexicorient.com/e.o/almohads.htm
The Almohad crusade to purify Islam did not succeed as intended. Traditional Islam as Ibn Tumart perceived it, was equally dilluted by mystical movements of Sufism as well as the philosophical schools of Ibn Tufayl and Averröes as before.
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3) did anyone notice that the Emperor quoted in that lecture was the 2nd to the last Byzantine emperor before Constantinople fell to the Turks in 1453? The enemy was at the gates

And finally,
4) if islam is a peaceful religion, why has it been fighting ever since it’s beginning until now?

Examples would be, if the Byzantines were People of the Book, why did muslims feel compelled to conquer it? Taking that empire apart piece by piece from 632 till 1453. Also, if Visogothic Spain was ruled by People of the Book, why did muslims feel compelled to conquer it in 711 & hold on until 1492? And what is that threat I keep on hearing of conquering the rest of the world & putting islam in the top place?

Do muslims really think that they are the only ones that have a right to conquer the world, or would they grant that in theory at least, that other civilizations are equal to it & can strive for world domination too? Or is world domination only reserved for muslims & quacks now?

It seems muslims have easily hurt feelings; I’m not trying to appease your hurt sensibilities in any way, but is there a reason for so many people to get riled up over 3 sentences in a long lecture? Any professor would be glad to have so much remembered from some boring philosophical lecture. Read it, it’s at the bottom of this post

I think that the secular Turkish & Pakistani gov’s should apologize for getting themselves all wet, the whole process puts islam in a bad light & re-enforces what that emperor said so long ago. So prove Manual II Paleologos wrong

Text of lecture:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5353774.stm
article from BBC news:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/5346480.stm
 
Again I mention the difference in the statements: "There is but one god and Allah is his name", and "God is One and hallowed be his name." The first statement allows that a person who grew up calling God by the name Jehovah might risk beheading for being an infidel, whereas the second statement avoids the misuse of spiritual truths by the ignorant. Hallowed be his name is much more to the point, for who among us is close enough to God to call him by name? What is interesting to me is that neither the Ismaelites nor the Israelites seem to understand the term "forgiveness". Maybe the Pope should get more involved and bring this boil to a head. The muslim religion has been hijacked and there is no turning back until it is all settled. It's called a "death-grip" and there's no way to back off. Three years before 9-11 I had noticed that there was no war on this planet that was not involving muslims against someone. It's time for the world to wake up.
 
Alsophia Theophilos said:
Three years before 9-11 I had noticed that there was no war on this planet that was not involving muslims against someone. It's time for the world to wake up.
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Hi Alsophia.

how does Dr Congo fit into your equation, that started in the 90's i believe
 
Alsophia Theophilos said:
Again I mention the difference in the statements: "There is but one god and Allah is his name"
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just wondering why if "allah" means "god" in arabic, the statement isn't "there is but one "allah" and "allah" is his name" isn't that a double positive? why would arabs need to know god's name if they already knew god's name? or to put it another way, if "allah" is "god's" name, why say "allah" is "god's" name? not just "there is none but allah"

my guess is that because arabs had many gods (allahs) & they had to distinguish the pagan "allah" from the new & improved "allah", so Mohammad got rid of "allah's" wife & daughters to have a sanitize monotheistic one


Christian explanation:
http://www.bible.ca/islam/islam-allahs-daughters.htm
1. It is an undeniable fact of history that before Muhammed was born, the moon god "al-Ilah" (Allah) had three daughters named al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat. The first two were even named after their father. Each daughter had a separate shrine near Mecca, where Allah's shrine was located.
2. As Muhammad grew weary from evangelizing his new religion with little success, he was tricked by the devil into adding a verse in the Koran that commanded Muslims to pray to Allah's three pagan daughters Lat, Uzza and Manat. The pagan female trinity was immediately accepted without dissent and the passage was considered part of the revealed Koran. However some time later, Muhammad got a revelation from God that the verse should be removed. After repenting of the error, Muhammad was comforted by God.
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Muslim explanation:
http://www.muslim.org/islam/allah.htm
Contrary to popular belief, the word Allah is NOT a contraction of al-ilah (al meaning 'the', and ilah meaning 'god').
Had it been so, then the expression ya Allah ('O Allah!') would have been ungrammatical, because according to the Arabic language when you address someone by the vocative form ya followed by a title, the al ('the') must be dropped from the title. For example, you cannot say ya ar-rabb but must say ya rabb (for 'O Lord'). So if the word Allah was al-ilah ('the God'), we would not be able to say: ya Allah, which we do.
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WildBlueYonder said:
just wondering why if "allah" means "god" in arabic, the statement isn't "there is but one "allah" and "allah" is his name" isn't that a double positive? why would arabs need to know god's name if they already knew god's name? or to put it another way, if "allah" is "god's" name, why say "allah" is "god's" name? not just "there is none but allah"
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Well, the Chirstian and Jew God is the same thing. His name is "Jehovah" which in Hebrew mean "I am who I am". The point God is making is that He has no name. But unfortunately, his followers are mostly idiots (not just Muslims, I'm talking about all of them). There are definetely exceptions, but most religious people can't get into their heads that God is not concerned with the puny ridiculous matters that mankind is. :bugeye:

my guess is that because arabs had many gods (allahs) & they had to distinguish the pagan "allah" from the new & improved "allah", so Mohammad got rid of "allah's" wife & daughters to have a sanitize monotheistic one
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Whenever there is more then one god in a religion, those gods are just different expressions of the same God...
 
vincent28uk said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5356820.stm

Pope comment 'linked to crusade'



The Pope's statement has failed to defuse the anger of many Muslims.

Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei has said recent remarks by the Pope on Islam were in line with what he called a "crusade" against Muslims.

The background to the controversy, he said, was the "wish of powers whose survival depends on creating crises".

The row began last week, when the Pope repeated criticism of the Prophet Muhammad by a medieval scholar.

The speech sparked worldwide protests by Muslims. The Pope has apologised and said the views quoted were not his own.

Ayatollah Khamenei said the remarks by Pope Benedict XVI last Tuesday were the "latest link" in "the chain of a conspiracy to set in train a crusade".

Other links, he added, included the cartoon satirising Muhammad and "the insulting remarks of some American and European politicians and newspapers about Islam".

Influential Qatari Muslim scholar, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, called for a day of anger on Friday.

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"Influential Qatari Muslim scholar, Yusuf al-Qaradawi, called for a day of anger on Friday."


I wonder whats going to happen on friday the 13th, churches burned worldwide & nuns & priests shot?

I wonder what part of (POPE)"im deeply sorry" muslims dont get here?
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The Pope is just your average European Christian, including what he said and thinks. unless you are a politician and you are bound by politically correctness, I see the Pope as more honest and less diplomatic
 
Facts said:
The Pope is just your average European Christian, including what he said and thinks. unless you are a politician and you are bound by politically correctness, I see the Pope as more honest and less diplomatic
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Totally agree.

Benedict said: “I hope that my profound respect for world religions and for Muslims who worship the one God and who help promote peace, liberties and justice and moral values for the benefit of all humanity is clear.”
 
samcdkey said:
Benedict said: “I hope that my profound respect for world religions and for Muslims who worship the one God and who help promote peace, liberties and justice and moral values for the benefit of all humanity is clear.”
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Geez, that's almost the exact same words that I use all the time! How 'bout that, huh? Me and the Pope!

Baron Max
 
In Deuteronomy 2:34-35 Moses recalls God's orders to the Jewish people to attack anothers lands.

"And we went capturing all his [Si'hon] cities at that particlular time devouting every city to destruction, men, women and little children. We left no survivor. 35 Only the domestic animals did we take as plunder for ourselves together with the spoils of the cities that we had captured."

Now because God gave the order, and the Jews were obedient (and smelling plunder of course) what the Jews did then was moral, ethical, righteous, spiritually demanding and necessary acts of murder, genocide and human slaughter for the simple reason that God had commanded them. Throw in mass rape (prolly) and torture (a slam dunk reality) and the whole epsisode could be classified as just another party that got rambunctous.

"Hey", quoting Senator John McCain, "innocent civilians are killed in wars. I always felt bad after bombing a village [in Vietnam]"

The man "felt bad", how awful.

I wonder if Moses and his people were effected by the shrill and terrified screams of dying "little children". Nothing that a few bottles of good (liberated) claret couldn't numb.
Geistkiesel​
 
samcdkey said:
Benedict said: “I hope that my profound respect for world religions and for Muslims who worship the one God and who help promote peace, liberties and justice and moral values for the benefit of all humanity is clear.”
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Funny how the protestors missed that part :D
 
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