The mind of a creationist
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When you burst into every thread beating your chest that god is real, that you've seen him and spoken with him, what else is one to assume other than you're lying?
I don't doubt that you have "personal experience with God", whatever that may mean. Many people say they know God.
But my question is: On the grounds of what do you think that others should believe you or at least take your statements seriously?
i would argue that god has had influence in those things to let you see things from unique perspective...
as far as the question 'how can we be sure'.....we can't...most ppl in organized religion leave that responsibility to the pastor/priest to tell them they are doing what god wants(do as your told)..me..i have a tough time believing any one man knows what god wants..i have to question them, to test them, most pastors don't like that..they want you to 'do as your told' specially when their answer becomes 'i don't know'..
i think thats a long term question as anyone can 'fake' god in the short term..but if you know the person for a long time you can generally tell..
this question is loaded..
any answer i can come up with does not apply to ALL.....
IMO it is the same god in all these religions,each one has a piece of the 'who is god' puzzle, just because i believe god is 'this' way, does not mean your belief that god is 'that' way is wrong..we would have to discuss the differences to see if there is a common denominator,to discover a better picture of 'who god is'
i think that would be an accurate statement
this is subjective to each believer..
but the believer does(SHOULD) not devalue any wisdom,knowledge just cause there is no measurable proof..
when god puts something in your path he doesn't usually advertise that it is him doing it..when that object in your path causes you to make decisions that help him with his plan(don't ask me what that plan is..) he is utilizing you,
if there were a predefined set of rules/requirements for proof of god..do you think we would be having this conversation?..would believers have such a tough time convincing anyone that god exists...would believer even need to convince anyone that god exists if there were proofs?
if god were proven,how would that affect the choices we make?didn't he give us the ability to choose? if he were proven, wouldn't WE as humans assume he doesn't want us to make our own choices?and completely defeat what he wants from us?
i don't view him as a controller..he is there waiting for me to ask him for his advice,when i do he will give that advice(usually through someone or some situation) it is still my choice to use that advice or not..i can choose to dismiss it as 'one' mans opinion..or i can choose to utilize such advice..
there is still no surety as to whether it was 'one' mans opinion or from god
this is where faith tends to come in..
You contradict yourself. First you make claim as to what god wants and then claim you question anyone who says they know what god wants.
Actually, it does. And, if we were to use your logic, all scriptures would be pointless as they describe gods absolutely and without question.
Or, if you weren't completely deluded, you would find there is no common denominator other than the non-existence of gods.
Again, you make claims as to what god wants. You contradict yourself again.
Of course not, if there were evidence of gods, we would ALL believe.
The world would most likely change dramatically. All religions and beliefs would be scrapped in favor of whatever god wanted.
That would be claiming to know what god wants and you would be contradicting yourself again.
Where was he when a quarter million of his followers asked for advice on how to survive a tsunami?
a lack of cynicism. open-mindedness. why wouldn't they?
You're out of time.
No string along songs.
i'm not out out of time. and you're right...that is a song lyric...referring to that very topic.
Reminds me of the wackos who stand on street corners hoisting signs that read, "The End is Nigh"
It would be funny if it wasn't so sad.
I hope you do not construct your belief according to the voices you hear. Forget about if I exist or not, consider you accidentally come up with my post, and consider I do not exist anymore, because that doesn't make any difference in terms of the existence of OP.
If you had something to say on this issue, you would have instead of childish bitching.
If you check out my sentence you will see that there are commas between "creationists, religious, and believers". I know religious is an adjective and I should have added some noun after that such as "people" for example, and I passed that. Because in the end I see some common denominator between those who practice or "experience" these conditions. Believing in something can not be proven outside of the him/her mind.
As far as I understood, you are offering me to join one or two of these group rituals and try to grasp their belief. No need for that, because what they have been doing hasn't changed for centuries and many of their rituals can be easily found on internet, whether it is christian or muslim discourse. I am not after that. I am after logic, and it doesn't have to be materialistic logic necessarily, just a logic behind proof of existence for anything.
The existence of personal experience is one thing, and to say that everything else is created by a lucid dream is something else. Instead of this I recommend you to watch this short talk on hallucinations.
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/oliver_sacks_what_hallucination_reveals_about_our_minds.html
You will see that through brain scanning and outside observation by someone else will tell you if you are having a dream or sensing the reality.
Yes, sort of. So person can realize that he/she is dreaming (imagining) instead of accepting his/her dream as a reality.
an OP written by nobody, is nothing, do you sit trying to read and understand a group of alphabet cards lying on the ground?
you can't run away from it by saying "forget about if i exist"..cuz you sure as hell aren't "forgetting that god exists"..
childish bitching indeed..
What god?
excuse me, am i talking to somebody?
No you are not, you are reading things, you can ignore or you can write things. Or you can play with yourself.