The Ineffability of God's Will
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He knew what he was doing, the Biblical God is a dick- Just ask her.
the program said 'do not eat the apple'...
noninterference as policy?
first it has to realize it has a design.then it has to struggle with what that design is..how does it recognize what is program and what is not?
there is a difference between in control and controlling..
labels limit my beliefs.
yes these things happen on their own, this does not mean God has no influence over them, Why would God create a system he couldn't influence?
why would God make a high maintenance system? it doesn't make sense to me that he would personally oversee each and every event in the universe, he created it to exist on its own, including us humans, we make our own decisions, humanities default is to take credit for the good decisions and blame someone else for the bad decisions.
too generic a statement..more of not ALL who say they know..do...like the verse says 'not all who says lord,lord, speaks for me' (paraphrased,closer to meaning).
um..no..i claim man has corrupted God with religion.
God is and always will be there,whether we believe in him or not, God still likes some who do not believe.
Man has made it about his own ego, (if enough ppl believe as i do, then i am not worthless), look in the bible and see how many times ego comes into play.
as far as revelations from God, can come to ANYONE God chooses, not just the believers.
why do ppl have to 'just' a person...(he is 'just' an atheist,he is 'just' a theist,they are 'just' idiots...) there is alot more to ppl than 'just'.
it is blaming God..things happen in the world the way they do because MAN has screwed it up..not God!..God made man to make his own decisions, then God let Man make his own decisions, and stupid Man being man blames God when those decisions suck.IE why does God allow 'suffering'?..MAN allows suffering,Man causes suffering.
God as cop?
this is humanity trying to get God to jump through hoops.IE if God exists he would <insert wish here>..
why do we need punishment to do what is good?
close..trying to avoid ANY conclusion about Gods character..God is more than we could conclude.
I have no doubts that Lori has had discussions on mental illness many times.
If god is omniscient which I believe god to be, not subject to the constraints of time, then he did anticipate it. I think it's worth it and part of the plan. It seems that in the garden we did what was correct instinctually but had no understanding of why it was correct or just how wrong things could be if we rejected god and his law. Now some of us understand.
Woman is the fall guy . That is why . Has to do with the Man ruler-ship. It was the taking of supreme power of the will of humanity . Man seized power and made a Man God by Taking the Woman Worship of child barring and making it a small thing in the indoctrination of male supremacist . Woman had to be made evil for this to happen . I think it all steams from hunter gatherers being displaced by agriculture. Man gave up hunting for high production gardening . It was probably originally woman's work and man took the task as a male dominate industry, Which the battle still goes on in third worlds . Hells bells anyway there is a sect that still thinks wheat is the devil . Where did they get this notion past down through there heritage?
Yeah this is what I think . Woman controlled Agriculture and everyone worshiped Gods that controlled the harvest. It was the way they explained failure and success by back seat driving. Humans still do that by the way.
So woman was a god and then man became a god when he took control of the Agriculture Industry . He then controlled the warehouse of goods . That gave supreme power to the male figure head . I tell I think that one scientist is right that said Agriculture was the one destructive element that caused degradation of everything. Except I ain't all Ted Kazensky on anybody's butt like those guys . I think if we bring back Mother worship things will work them selves out.
O.K. lets analysis Me . Why would Me make bold statements about Mother Worship. This is where Me hedges his bets . Cause He knows People in High Positions that set policy of human activities has already set in motion the exoneration of Woman and woman is to be praised instead of vilified. (I read it in there minutes about population decline ) Its all on the internet . So now when it happens Me will look like he could SEE The FUtuRE. Hedging bets in a gambling type world .
God I am funny Ha Ha Ha
So woman was a god and then man became a god when he took control of the Agriculture Industry . He then controlled the warehouse of goods . That gave supreme power to the male figure head . I tell I think that one scientist is right that said Agriculture was the one destructive element that caused degradation of everything. Except I ain't all Ted Kazensky on anybody's butt like those guys . I think if we bring back Mother worship things will work them selves out.
O.K. lets analysis Me . Why would Me make bold statements about Mother Worship. This is where Me hedges his bets . Cause He knows People in High Positions that set policy of human activities has already set in motion the exoneration of Woman and woman is to be praised instead of vilified. (I read it in there minutes about population decline ) Its all on the internet . So now when it happens Me will look like he could SEE The FUtuRE. Hedging bets in a gambling type world .
God I am funny Ha Ha Ha
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And whose fault is that - if not God's?
Then why on earth do you keep talking about God???????
bottom line is, humanity is fucked up and suffering, can not and will not do a damn thing to fix it, and you don't really give a shit as long as you get to eat your cheesecake and watch your porn. isn't that right?
and the last time i checked, the pronoun "we" included me. the human race and/or humanity also includes me. people who post out here aren't stupid enough not to know that. people learn that very early in elementary school, and so it really pisses me off when people insist on acting like they've somehow forgotten that lesson when they're responding to my posts. please don't do that again.
You have said repeatedly throughout this thread how everyone who lusts is responsible for what happened to this girl. Now, I very much apologize if I misunderstood what you meant by that. So If I have please clear this up for me? So if it's not by stopping watching porn, how is it we are to fix humanity? Is your only answer annihilation?
No, I never said that. Not once. I just refuse to take responsibility for something some sick person did who I don't even know. How is it you give a shit again? By not watching porn and praying for annihilation?
Get off your high horse, Lori. You have sat here and pointed your fingers at all of us who watch porn and then further blamed what this youth minister did on all of the people who watch porn. Do YOU watch porn? No, you made that very clear. The reason I put it like that is because even though you are the only one in this thread who proclaims to be a "sinner" you at the same time tell everyone here that and I quote:
"and for all of those motherfuckers who want to argue with me about lust being ok, and pornography is ok, well fuck you, and may you rot in hell where you belong. "
And you get upset because I didn't include you in a pronoun when you spit out stuff like that above? Also, you sit here and dog on me because I eat cheesecake and watch porn every now and then when it was not until recently you were smoking cigarettes- is smoking a pack of cigarettes a day really better than eating cheesecake every once in awhile?
cause it is fun.
Heart it's about a realization. Realizing that there's something wrong implies that there is a right. Realizing that WE are not perfect implies the the possibility of perfection. Realizing that I can not perfect myself implies that I need divine intervention. The only reason I know what's wrong with the world is because I know what's wrong with myself. So who's on a high horse? In the decades I've known you I have never heard you admit to ever doing anything wrong or having anything wrong with you. All I've ever heard is an assload of denial.
LIGHTBEING
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Lori -
Your thought process is very twisted. I know very well that I do things wrong or I can do things better but how does it apply to humanity or the collective WE?
By who's standards?
Depends on your definition of perfect I guess, but still in no way does it imply that. That is just an assertion that you made and that you have to live with.
You are worthy, don't pity yourself or the rest of humanity for that matter.
Your thought process is very twisted. I know very well that I do things wrong or I can do things better but how does it apply to humanity or the collective WE?
By who's standards?
Depends on your definition of perfect I guess, but still in no way does it imply that. That is just an assertion that you made and that you have to live with.
You are worthy, don't pity yourself or the rest of humanity for that matter.
If something is wrong with you
then you cannot know what would be good for you
and thus cannot make choices that would lead to your becoming perfect.
:shrug:
does that mean if you do not know what is good for you, there is something wrong with you?
chasing perfect is as bad as chasing money..
What about blaming others for something they haven't done? I did nothing to cause what this youth minister did, and that's not me being on my high horse, that's me not taking responsibility for something someone who I DO NOT know did! If that is a "sin" in your eyes, well then throw me in hell.
So everyone is alike? How boring.
Then you truly do not know me- and it's been a decade- not decades. My partner will be the very first to tell you how I admit to stuff I've f'd up all the time. I have no beef with admitting my wrongs. Just because I do not agree with you about telling me and others that watching porn causes someone to commit a crime, does not mean I haven't ever admitted to doing anything wrong in my life. I admit to my wrongs quite often. You are not the only person I talk to in life, Lori- there is no way of you knowing what I have admitted to in my lifetime or not.