Cos we can prove it by measuring penile tumescence while watching gay porn.
The "homophobic" lie
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Cos we can prove it by measuring penile tumescence while watching gay porn.
Err... right. Whatever...
And I did, I checked and nothing happened.
Mine actually shrank (of course it was still mighty impressive...).
yeah it happens from cold usually...
like in the back of my mind I am saying "relax pal...its shrank, it will be back the normal size" but than I keep saying to myself "were have you gone boy?!!!" (in fear)
Ha!
Hmm you have to be specific
1. Which movie? One, more than one? Softcore, hardcore?
2. What were the measurements? % tumescence, for e.g.
3. What did you use for control?
My control: no images
My experiment: images of homophobes
results: couldnt watch it more than 10 seconds (it was repulsive)
Size of my guy was X in the beginning of the experiment...Size remained X in the end and throughout the experiment.
Checked if the system worked, by making another experiment soon after
experiment2: lesbians kissing
results: in 10 seconds...size increase by 60%.
ok sweety
My control: no images
My experiment: images of homophobes
results: couldnt watch it more than 10 seconds (it was repulsive)
Size of my guy was X in the beginning of the experiment...Size remained X in the end and throughout the experiment.
Checked if the system worked, by making another experiment soon after
experiment2: lesbians kissing
results: in 10 seconds...size increase by 60%.
ok sweety
You have to watch both videos for an equal length of time. Otherwise its a biased experiment.:bugeye:
And you need a non homophobic control
Sure. But elaborate and apparently obsessive attention, especially abusive or violent, is not a common symptom of disgust. Neither is hatred, disproportionate anger, and other violent overreactions in general.baron said:
But such reactions are common from the kinds of people we are labeling - reasonably - homophobes.
We see these reactions from these people to the mere presence of a gay man, or the suggestion of gay sex elsewhere - to allegedly disgusting things not even present. People don't react like that to mere thoughts or hints of things not present from mere disgust.
look I am not gay, I hate gays, I am straight, I want to have sex with girls, I don't want to have sex with guys.
happy?
No, like all of Freud. Show me where he used a respectable methodology and I'll change my mind. Show me where he performed repeatable experiments and I'll change my mind.
Deepthought:
If you think we can't determine whether homosexuality is good for the world, then you will also agree that we can't determine that it is bad. Right?
Baron Max:
[enc]Godwin's law[/enc]
As far as I can see, your tactic is no different.
Right. Think about that.
So, in summary, you won't listen to expert opinion. You refuse to recognise anything as a source of reliable information, with the possible exception of your own prejudice.
So, what's the point of providing you with sources? Why would I bother?
You obviously move in narrow circles of people who share your prejudices and lack of knowledge.
Obviously, you haven't taken on board my patient previous explanation that what you regard as "lesbian" sex in pornography is actually a show put on specifically for the titillation of heterosexual males. You have no real appreciation for lesbianism. Like your view of all kinds of homosexuality, it is little more than a fantasy you have.
Indeed. Interesting from multiple angles. First, realise that "lesbian porn" is usually not porn for lesbians or by lesbians or about lesbians. Second, realise that the fear factor is not there for the homophobic male when it comes to lesbians. Women are already different enough not to be regarded as a threat to the homophobe's sexual orientation. Hence, the absence of fear. Hence the absence of hatred.
That's what you think. I know that introspection is probably beyond you, but you might want to consider what it is, precisely, about gay men that "creeps you out".
draqon:
Please read my previous detailed response to this repeated crap, in an earlier post.
Like the Baron, you ought perhaps to determine what it is, precisely, that gives you the creeps. You might learn something about yourself, because it says more about you than about gay people.
Your just projecting.
If you think we can't determine whether homosexuality is good for the world, then you will also agree that we can't determine that it is bad. Right?
Baron Max:
[enc]Godwin's law[/enc]
As far as I can see, your tactic is no different.
Right. Think about that.
So, in summary, you won't listen to expert opinion. You refuse to recognise anything as a source of reliable information, with the possible exception of your own prejudice.
So, what's the point of providing you with sources? Why would I bother?
You obviously move in narrow circles of people who share your prejudices and lack of knowledge.
Obviously, you haven't taken on board my patient previous explanation that what you regard as "lesbian" sex in pornography is actually a show put on specifically for the titillation of heterosexual males. You have no real appreciation for lesbianism. Like your view of all kinds of homosexuality, it is little more than a fantasy you have.
Indeed. Interesting from multiple angles. First, realise that "lesbian porn" is usually not porn for lesbians or by lesbians or about lesbians. Second, realise that the fear factor is not there for the homophobic male when it comes to lesbians. Women are already different enough not to be regarded as a threat to the homophobe's sexual orientation. Hence, the absence of fear. Hence the absence of hatred.
That's what you think. I know that introspection is probably beyond you, but you might want to consider what it is, precisely, about gay men that "creeps you out".
draqon:
Please read my previous detailed response to this repeated crap, in an earlier post.
Like the Baron, you ought perhaps to determine what it is, precisely, that gives you the creeps. You might learn something about yourself, because it says more about you than about gay people.
Your just projecting.
Men and the "Lavender Menace"
Actually, I like James R's second consideration of Max and lesbians better:
Anyway, think about this: Imagining lesbian sex does not require consideration of a penis.
And that's why lesbians are given greater leeway, at least by men. That's why "lesbian" porn ("hot girl on girl action!") is so popular. Men can get off watching two women have at it, and at no point do they have to reckon with the idea that they're getting hot while there's a penis on the screen. Men don't have to wonder if the penis is what is arousing them.
Of course, this whole notion suggests a complicated question of whether or not these men get hot when "lesbians" cram vibrators in each other's asses. Because at the point that strap-ons and bullet vibrators get involved, one must wonder what the attraction is for men. After all, they're being reminded that they're unnecessary to the women's pleasure. To the other, though, it could just be that they envy the dykes, and are simply sublimating their own homosexual aspects.
In the end, lesbian is still homo. And that's the thing. With males--
--"hot girl on girl action" is one of the most comfortable closets around.
Actually, I like James R's second consideration of Max and lesbians better:
James R said:
Anyway, think about this: Imagining lesbian sex does not require consideration of a penis.
And that's why lesbians are given greater leeway, at least by men. That's why "lesbian" porn ("hot girl on girl action!") is so popular. Men can get off watching two women have at it, and at no point do they have to reckon with the idea that they're getting hot while there's a penis on the screen. Men don't have to wonder if the penis is what is arousing them.
Of course, this whole notion suggests a complicated question of whether or not these men get hot when "lesbians" cram vibrators in each other's asses. Because at the point that strap-ons and bullet vibrators get involved, one must wonder what the attraction is for men. After all, they're being reminded that they're unnecessary to the women's pleasure. To the other, though, it could just be that they envy the dykes, and are simply sublimating their own homosexual aspects.
In the end, lesbian is still homo. And that's the thing. With males--
Pro-homosexual sublimation:
• Sympathy to homosexual arousal (feeling of connection)
• Vagina envy (jealous of penetration)
Sublimated homophobic affirmations:
• Looking at women. (Heh ... heh-heh. Heh-heh-heh.)
• No penis? No question.
• Masculine bonding (sex experience to share with the guys).
• Sympathy to homosexual arousal (feeling of connection)
• Vagina envy (jealous of penetration)
Sublimated homophobic affirmations:
• Looking at women. (Heh ... heh-heh. Heh-heh-heh.)
• No penis? No question.
• Masculine bonding (sex experience to share with the guys).
--"hot girl on girl action" is one of the most comfortable closets around.
Here's a thought.
Baron Max, earlier on, said something about hating fat women, but not being afraid of them. He was quite thrilled by his discovery, and then the whole thread seemed diverted in that direction. But what if Baron Max is correct?
What if it's logically appropriate to hate fat women, yet not be afraid of them?
Because it's the fat that he's correct to dislike—and not the woman herself, who happens to be fat. Like, who wants to be as fat as that, right?
And because of that, that she is fat, the woman is socially at a disadvantage. She is flawed, in Baron Max's opinion, as most likely in many people's opinion, and is wanting of respect, or at least in want of some form of comfort to offset the woes of being fat—she's at the mercy of society's favour, hence she is morally on guard, socially at a disadvantage, weak. So there's really nothing much to fear about the fat woman. Pity, perhaps, but not fear.
So that part is correct.
But the part Baron Max doesn't talk about in broad daylight is the thought of being as fat as she, and my oh my what a spectacle that would be! Can you imagine a fat Baron Max? Baron Max is so huge, he scares the elephants away at the zoo! LOL!!!
Fat: something to fear? What comes with the indignation of being fat? Lots and lots of things that aren't pretty, right? And the social implications are just as ugly. But the sentiment of fear doesn't need to be as boisterous and evident as the outward show of fear we imagine elephants displaying. There can be a subtlety of inward conscience that whispers, "I can not be seen to be socially bankrupt."
But what if there's no possibility of ever being fat, yet nonetheless one hates the sight of fat? Does that mean one is no longer aware, nervous, and conscientious at the thought of being socially bankrupt in other matters? Hence, the sight of fat and the fear of being fat is no longer about fatness...
Baron Max, earlier on, said something about hating fat women, but not being afraid of them. He was quite thrilled by his discovery, and then the whole thread seemed diverted in that direction. But what if Baron Max is correct?
What if it's logically appropriate to hate fat women, yet not be afraid of them?
Because it's the fat that he's correct to dislike—and not the woman herself, who happens to be fat. Like, who wants to be as fat as that, right?
And because of that, that she is fat, the woman is socially at a disadvantage. She is flawed, in Baron Max's opinion, as most likely in many people's opinion, and is wanting of respect, or at least in want of some form of comfort to offset the woes of being fat—she's at the mercy of society's favour, hence she is morally on guard, socially at a disadvantage, weak. So there's really nothing much to fear about the fat woman. Pity, perhaps, but not fear.
So that part is correct.
But the part Baron Max doesn't talk about in broad daylight is the thought of being as fat as she, and my oh my what a spectacle that would be! Can you imagine a fat Baron Max? Baron Max is so huge, he scares the elephants away at the zoo! LOL!!!
Fat: something to fear? What comes with the indignation of being fat? Lots and lots of things that aren't pretty, right? And the social implications are just as ugly. But the sentiment of fear doesn't need to be as boisterous and evident as the outward show of fear we imagine elephants displaying. There can be a subtlety of inward conscience that whispers, "I can not be seen to be socially bankrupt."
But what if there's no possibility of ever being fat, yet nonetheless one hates the sight of fat? Does that mean one is no longer aware, nervous, and conscientious at the thought of being socially bankrupt in other matters? Hence, the sight of fat and the fear of being fat is no longer about fatness...
We are talking mostly about being afraid of something about oneself, not the actual real other person.chewing said:
Baron is casual with the word "hatred", but I think he would agree that fatty bashing - serious, specific-hatred-motivated violence - is neither as common nor as close to his own experience as gay bashing.
But the question of what in themselves men could be afraid of, when they do express actual intense dislike (hatred is too strong, but soemthing more than can be accounted for by simple disgust or whatever) of fat women who are complete strangers to them, might be worth considering.
For clues, common jokes: "Riding a (low status motorcycle) is like fucking a fat woman: it feels good, until someone sees you doing it"
"Why did God invent fat women ? So (low status group of men) would have someone to fuck. "
Pattern becoming visible ?
KFC ... Kinda F@ckin' Creepy, and it ain't finger-lickin' good
But ... but ... fat-bottomed girls make the rockin' world go 'round!
I should also note that I agree that the bigger the cushion, the deeper the pushin'.
M'lady, I do believe you've missed what is probably the best joke made so far in this topic. Well, okay, the best joke since Max ... oh, wait. He's not that good of a joke.
Anyway, it seems we need better jokes:
I mean, don't get me wrong ... I missed it the first few times around in large part because it's not that funny a joke. But that's how low the standard has fallen around here. If it's the best joke made so far in this topic, we've got some work to do.
I wonder if there's any correlation between homophobia and men who use pet names for their penises. It's a "boy"? (Shudder.) "My guy?" (Tell me that doesn't sound gay!)
You know, in my day, we at least invented hetero, murderous names for it: "the Python", "the Missile", "Jack the Ripper", "Scream Machine", "Pleasure Pounder"... and always with the capital letters.
Next thing you know, the homophobic men will be euphemizing their penises as "The ladies' favorite shopping partner."
But ... but ... fat-bottomed girls make the rockin' world go 'round!
I should also note that I agree that the bigger the cushion, the deeper the pushin'.
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S.A.M. said:
M'lady, I do believe you've missed what is probably the best joke made so far in this topic. Well, okay, the best joke since Max ... oh, wait. He's not that good of a joke.
Anyway, it seems we need better jokes:
Draqon said:
I mean, don't get me wrong ... I missed it the first few times around in large part because it's not that funny a joke. But that's how low the standard has fallen around here. If it's the best joke made so far in this topic, we've got some work to do.
• • •
I wonder if there's any correlation between homophobia and men who use pet names for their penises. It's a "boy"? (Shudder.) "My guy?" (Tell me that doesn't sound gay!)
You know, in my day, we at least invented hetero, murderous names for it: "the Python", "the Missile", "Jack the Ripper", "Scream Machine", "Pleasure Pounder"... and always with the capital letters.
Next thing you know, the homophobic men will be euphemizing their penises as "The ladies' favorite shopping partner."
I guess you'd say
What can make me feel this way?
My guy. (My guy.)
Talkin' 'bout my guy.
(My guy. My guy.)
What can make me feel this way?
My guy. (My guy.)
Talkin' 'bout my guy.
(My guy. My guy.)
Whoa there bub.
I didn't intend it to say anything about gay people. The idea of a gay relationship (and all that entails) creeps me out. Is that offensive? Guess what? I don't like coffee either. The smell creeps me out.
And based on my own personal experience with non-gay men, they feel essentially the same as I do.
Did you take my statements somehow to mean I was anti-gay or something? You seem offended.