The Holy Quran
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No. He stated that the law is based on the bible. I asked where in the bible there is any reference to speeding.
Really?
I wonder why that's not so in the UK (for motorways at least).
greenboy said:
Sanger was Episcopalian, a theistic Christian sect into which she baptized her sons as infants. Here is an interview with her reaffirming her religious status in old age: http://www.hrc.utexas.edu/multimedia/video/2008/wallace/sanger_margaret.html . She founded no atheist societies, and specifically rejected the "elimination" of anyone in pursuit of her favored eugenics programs. She opposed abortion, and thought its great prevalence in the US a disgrace. She died of congestive heart failure in a nursing home, long before Khaddaffi rose to power and far from having any influence on the Middle East.
And the Holy Bible appears to be every bit as suspect an influence as the Holy Quran, if its advocates around here are taken in evidence.
so why do you think there are speeding tickets?
an attempt to generate revenue?
or an attempt to save lives?
To protect the motorists and pedestrians.
I'm asking.
Apparently it stems from the bible. Still waiting for evidence.
In the UK none of the above were the case (as alluded to above)...
yes but in order to be productive and not just being sarcastically argumentive, you have to understand why that law is there..
if you don't acknowledge why the law was originally formed, you won't accept any answer..
And I'm still waiting for someone to show why (and where) that law was formed. In the bible.
but you will not accept that law was made to prevent death.
you want the bible to specificly mention speeding tickets and will not accept any argument that does not spell out 'speeding ticket' from the bible..
you will not accept arguements for an evolution of the law from 'thou shall not kill' to don't speed to save lives.
it would be like me asking why is that part in your contraption and not accepting the reasons why it is there.
you argue for evolution but do not consider any for laws..
Then the "law" apparently doesn't since it varies from state to state as far as I know.
And there's this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
Nothing about "death".
Because that's an assumption (or maybe just a claim) on your part. You have not shown this to be the case, simply that that is what you believe is the reason.
as per wiki
Speed limits are usually set to attempt to cap road traffic speed; there are several reasons for wanting to do this. It is often done with an intention to improve road traffic safety and reduce the number of road traffic casualties from traffic collisions. In their World report on road traffic injury prevention report, the World Health Organization (WHO) identify speed control as one of various interventions likely to contribute to a reduction in road casualties. (The WHO estimated that some 1.2 million people were killed and 50 million injured on the roads around the world in 2004.)
You still haven't addressed the variation in speed limits. Nor established that it's based on "Thou shalt not kill". Is a concern for human life exclusively biblical? I doubt it.
If you like we could go into other US laws too.
I'll remind you, once again, that IAmJoseph ended up being banned for pushing much the same myth, despite failing to provide evidence (and being given evidence to the contrary).
now who is moving the goal posts?
first it was 'find me speeding tickets' now its 'find me statutes'
my point is your argument is not to promote understanding..it just like the 'show me proof' question, why ask it if you know you will not accept any answers?
now there is a certain point ..IE is the bible the SOLE reason we have laws? or would laws still exist without religion?(adam and eve were the first example of law in religion)
laws can be broken down into catagories..(i have seen this but forget the details)
starts like; crimes against:
Property, Person,..(forgot the rest)
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what do you think the first law was?
<gotta go pick up grand daughter..>
Then I suggest you go back and read what I asked: what is the biblical justification for a speeding ticket? And I also pointed out that IF the bible were the source then the speed limit (and hence the reason for getting a ticket) should be the same throughout the states.
Exactly. Greenboy appears to think that the answer is yes.
Do as you're told!
the justification is not in the letter of the bible/law (literalist view)
and since susceptible to interpretation,would not be the same everywhere..
Do as you're told!
so you are arguing the ten commandments originated from man?
(prexisting common law?)
In other words Greenboy is likely wrong.
I suggest it's highly possible that they are a codification of pre-existing "laws". I don't know enough history but I find it hard to believe* that at least some of them weren't in existence beforehand.
* Which is not, of course, valid as an argument.
i have never argued right vs wrong...
but it is valid for a conversation/discussion..* Which is not, of course, valid as an argument.
Your lies about our secular government are also an example of creeping theocracy on the part of Christians. I'm just as resistant to them as I am to Islam. Equality among the sexes and races is not a Christian principle.