The difference between Christian God and Allah
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they are simultaneously one and different.
just like the sunshine is simultaneously one and different from the sun (how do you propose to seperate the sun from the sunshine or the sunshine from the sun, except by semantics)
Cris
The sanskrit word for this defintion is acintyabedabeda - inconceivable oneness and difference
Is the sunshine part of the sun or isn't it?
The sanskrit word for this defintion is acintyabedabeda - inconceivable oneness and difference
To do god's work is not a mundane activity - in other word s they are operating out of the same potency as god, just like an ambassador is working out of the potency of the King - crimes against the ambassador are practically identical to crimes against the king
No, the sunshine is not part of the sun.
In Muslims, religion is involved in all parts of life.
However, even we can tell the difference between religious intolerance and political discord.
Didn't you read the article I linked? (btw, your link does not work)
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/jonathan_steele/2006/06/post_155.html
It also had the original text of the speech attached in Farsi
http://www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/speeches/1384/aban-84/840804sahyonizm.htm
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Then why does it require the sun to exist? In otherwords the cause and effect are so insperable that seperating them serves nothing practical (outside semantics)
sam,
The link was your link, I didn't add a new one.
And the translation differences do not seem to be tremendously different.
But step back a bit - the context and vehemence (i.e. tone) of his speech echoed the hatred. That he didnt actually say "let's nuke Israel" doesn't seem to hide his underlying attitude that that is what he'd really like to do.
Now what I'd really like to understand is what proportion of the Iranian people support his views. Several years ago I saw an analysis that indicated that the young Iranians were largely pro-USA, wanted change, and wanted to embrace a more modern lifestyle.
The link was your link, I didn't add a new one.
And the translation differences do not seem to be tremendously different.
But step back a bit - the context and vehemence (i.e. tone) of his speech echoed the hatred. That he didnt actually say "let's nuke Israel" doesn't seem to hide his underlying attitude that that is what he'd really like to do.
Now what I'd really like to understand is what proportion of the Iranian people support his views. Several years ago I saw an analysis that indicated that the young Iranians were largely pro-USA, wanted change, and wanted to embrace a more modern lifestyle.
LG,
What’s your view?
That begs the question of why God couldn’t do the work himself since he is all-powerful.
So Jesus isn’t divine then, just a conduit for God’s power, right, and otherwise nothing special?
Well not really, if you kill the ambassador the king doesn’t die.
They may not seem significant to an English speaker, but MEMRI apparently supported the doveish view.
edit: have you ever seen the views expressed by Jews against Zionism?
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/ZionistState/elections.cfm
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/zionism/index.cfm
Or Jews against Israel?
http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/03/13/neturei_karta/index.html
I disagree. But you are free to opine.
Presidents make speeches all the time and their motives are usually political.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/FI08Aa02.html
I think that is true for most young people in the Middle East.
http://www.bestirantravel.com/culture/wtc-vigil.html
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Not as long as the media promotes militants and equates them with religion.
Not all Muslims are in straightjackets.
I believe WW3 is inevitable and it will go nuclear very quickly when Israel and Iran open preceding. Just as prophecy predicted this world is doomed either by war or by ecological disaster and probably a combination of both. As for peaceful that’s what Jesus taught me to be.
But i know only too well that most people do not listen to Jesus. This world is doomed no matter how much people fantasize about world peace and co-existence. People are people, that’s one thing you can rely on. People will never achieve peaceful co-existence because it is not in their nature to do so.
You can disagree if it makes you feel better. But your arguments are all in vain. The future will demonstrate reality to you.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Cris
(nb - thats why it is called inconceivable oneness and difference - we could literally spend an eternity playing this game of semantics trying to determine whether the sunshine is seperate from the sun or the same as the sun)
Inconceivable oneness and difference - why do you think I brought it up?
God acts either directly or through his potencies - makes no difference to him
But is the sunshine really a seperate entity from the sun? After all where is the question of the sun without sunshine?
(nb - thats why it is called inconceivable oneness and difference - we could literally spend an eternity playing this game of semantics trying to determine whether the sunshine is seperate from the sun or the same as the sun)
Therefore a mundane analogy for a transcendental phenomena has obvious limitations
That’s up to you to seek out and decide. God has made it that way. That people are free to embrace the truth if they love it or the lie if that love that. It's a very good way of doing it if you think about it.
Seek. If you like what you find accept it. If your motivation is bad then your doomed, If your motivations are good then you are saved. If you have the right motivation then you will seek guidance from God as you are seeking Him.
People can form whatever opinion of me they wish. The existence of God does not depend on me.
As far as i know I have never performed a miracle. But then again i have never been in a situation where i have tried. And a correction, there was never a time where a Christian was able to perform all the signs each Christian was given a gift all different, no one received all the gifts.
1 Corinthians 12
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
So you are wrong to believe that all Christians must be able to do all these things. It was never so, even in the beginning.
As for the snake point, I have had 4 close encounters with deadly snakes, Once when i was a little kid a snake (red belly black snake) crawled over my bare feet while i was sitting with my brother in a class house. I was too young to understand how dangerous it was. I have jumped over two deadly snakes and stepped on the tail of a king brown snake that quickly went away. All these snakes could have killed me and they did not. But no i have never been bitten by a snake and i do not intend to go out to get bitten. Its got nothing to do with lack of faith its about not putting the Lord my God to the test.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Peace!
Lg,
This means that Jesus must have been a separate entity with his own free will. Now was he just a man or a god? He could not have been a man since he led a perfect sinless life and that is impossible for any real man because man inherited a sinful nature from Adam. That pretty much means he is a powerful individual in his own right. We can see he is not a man, so what is he?
I don’t see the inconceivable aspect. Sunshine is an effect caused by the sun. They are not the same thing.
The analogy with the sun somewhat breaks down here. While sunshine is an effect, people are not effects in the same way, but instead are meant to be individuals with independent free wills. Jesus is portrayed as an individual and as someone who freely sacrificed himself to save mankind. If he was merely an appendage of God and was just following his instructions then the essential nature of Christianity is lost. His separateness is essential.
This means that Jesus must have been a separate entity with his own free will. Now was he just a man or a god? He could not have been a man since he led a perfect sinless life and that is impossible for any real man because man inherited a sinful nature from Adam. That pretty much means he is a powerful individual in his own right. We can see he is not a man, so what is he?
You probably had a point but who knows. What’s a “transcendental phenomena”?
I had this verse in mind, as well as a number of others, while I was writing my last post. Where is the other passage that describes those things that will accompany those who believe? I will have to look for it. Anyway, even this scripture promises that their will be some, at least, that have the gift of "working miracles".
So then, where are these miracle workers today, Adstar. I have never seen any of them anywhere, at anytime. Instead I really find only pretenders, fakers, magicians, deceivers, and outright liers in the Christian community. Sorry!
I am glad you were not hurt by any of them! It does indeed seem to have everything to do with faith in the Bible, does it not? If you have faith, the size of a mustard seed you will say to this mountain...
Peace!