it also says lacking sense or sound reasoning kind of what your doing right now
it also says lacking sense or sound reasoning kind of what your doing right now
Yeah, it has mutiple definitions, like lots of words
I'm the only one who does make sense
not multiple definitions merely one complex one you don't have very good reading comprehension do you?
Yeah use a different dictionary not wiktionary and you get multiple definitions...for instance:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/illogical
l·log·i·cal /ɪˈlɒdʒɪkəl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[i-loj-i-kuhl] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–adjective
not logical; contrary to or disregardful of the rules of logic; unreasoning: an illogical reply.
[Origin: 1580–90; il-2 + logical]
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Ghost3784,
Put more simply – if there was a time when nothing existed then would not have been anything to start everything. Hence something must have always existed.
I have used this reasoning many times and I am glad you understand it.
And equally valid would be the statement that the universe has always existed and we know the universe exists and nothing to indicate a god can exist. We also know from physics that it appears nothing can be created or destroyed indicating that the universe has always existed.
If you want to argue that complexity MUST have an intelligent designer then you cannot arbitrarily apply that claim to the universe and not apply it to something even more complex like a god. If you insist that complexity must be designed then you are forced to accept that God must have been designed. That also leads us to ponder the issues of the designer of the designer of the designer, etc, etc.
A random bible quote offers absolutely no support for your claim that a god is a first cause.
And how did something even more complex like God arise, by random chance? But cellular biology and chemistry doesn’t suggest that anything complex arises by random chance.
Go back to your science classes and examine your studies on molecular compounds for example. And look at the periodic table again. You should be able to understand how elements form into more complex forms naturally by their attractive and repulsive forces. Complexity simply doesn’t occur by random chance but is inevitable.
Is God complex? If you answer yes then you are forced to conclude from your own reasoning that he must have been designed since nothing complex can arise by random chance.
That's the point. :bugeye:Silence isn't an argument...it cannot be logical nor illogical, nor not logical and logical nor illogical and logical
Now if you said something like "silence existing" then it would be different
Nope.No, not logical neccessarily means illogical, and illogical neccessarily means not logical...its the definition
Looks like you lack an ability to understand sillogism....Then your argument is still flawed, but then it means the existence of God is unknown...
You are clearly confused. You think that if A is opposite of B then if not A then B. This is binary thinking. Think of a gradient.Yes it does...the only difference is that it says "contrary" to logic, and the word contrary is a negation, a negative word, like not, so illogical is not logical
Ok, but that implies a significant level of complexity, correct?God is a spirit or you might say a universal mind.
Not relevant, the issue of entropy was not something I raised. Neither does it address your assertion that complexity requires a designer.Existing outside of the physical world means something is not subject to the laws of entropy.
Please explain then that when neurosurgeons probe the brain or examine brain damaged patients that they discover a direct correlation between mental abilities (mind and emotions) and the physical brain? The conclusion is inescapable that the mind and emotions are entirely dependent on normal physical brain function.The mind of men exists, but not in the physical world.
So if your brain is removed you’d still be able to think and have emotions, right? Clearly your point is nonsense.Thoughts, emotions etc. exist but not in the physical world.
Total fantasy. But still doesn’t address your assertion that complexity requires a designer.They are connected to the physical body, however, by the aura energy field.
Entropy is not an issue here as far as I am concerned, it is irrelevant to your claim.The mind of God did not need to be designed therefore. Not being in the physical world, the law of entropy don't apply.
You are clearly confused. You think that if A is opposite of B then if not A then B. This is binary thinking. Think of a gradient.
No what you just stated is illogical, "if God cannot be proven or disproven and silence is not logical nor illogical, then it indicates nothing about God's existence"Looks like you lack an ability to understand sillogism....
So if God is something which cannot be proven or disproven by means of logical reasoning, and silence is not logical nor illogical, then......... it follows that...
God is silence
Uhm...your whole argument is illogical...its non-sequitur, the fact that silence is not illogical nor logical has no connection to the existence of God (non-sequitur)You obviously missed the entire discussion....
Let me spoon feed this to you....
1) God is something which cannot be proven or disproven by means of logical reasoning
- You cannot prove God by means of logical reasoning
- You cannot disprove God by means of logical reasoning
If you cannot prove nor disprove God by means of logical reasoning, it follows that you cannot use logic in order to prove nor disprove God.
If you cannot use logic, then what CAN you use?
If you use illogical reasoning to prove or disprove God, your argument will be meaningless, therefore, it follows that you cannot use illogical reasoning in order to prove or disprove God.
If you cannot use a logical nor an illogical reasoning in order to prove or disprove God, it follows that you must use something which is not logical nor illogical.
2) Silence is not logical nor illogical
Therefore, one must use silence in order to define God.
If one uses silence in order to define God, it follows that the only conclusion possible from silence is silence itself.
If silence is the only conclusion possible for the question of the definition of God, then it follows that the definition of God must be silence.
If the definition of God is silence, then God is silence.
You see... since you cannot use a logical nor an illogical argument, then it follows that you must use silence in order to prove and define God!
that is also wrong...as how would you know that God has not been silent all this time and used illusions on us for us to think there is no proof of God at all, when he/it is amongst us all.
You know whats the difference between me and VitalOne? I see God as us...consciousness of universe which includes us all. What does VitalOne see God as? something like a being with an image Christians gave him...the old shepherd of humans?... But than I never asked him/her...
You are obviously not acquainted with logic. You cannot prove a negative, so you cannot disprove God. Besides, you completely missed the whole point of the argument.Uhm...your whole argument is illogical...its non-sequitur, the fact that silence is not illogical nor logical has no connection to the existence of God (non-sequitur)
Also God can be proven or disproven, but its unverifiable currently, so thats the reaosn that it cannot be
You can use logical reasoning to refute arguments
No, it is YOU who are not acquainted with logic, you're using logical fallcies to show you know that you're acquainted with logicYou are obviously not acquainted with logic. You cannot prove a negative, so you cannot disprove God. Besides, you completely missed the whole point of the argument.
FOR THE LAST F***IN TIME THIS IS A LOGICAL FALLACY (look it up) WHY THE F*** DO YOU KEEP POSTING IT? You can't say proof = silence based on those things, its illogical...TruthSeeker said:Putting it as simple as possible:
Proof = not logical nor illogical.
Silence = not logical nor illogical
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Proof = Silence
Now I not only spoon fed it to you, I also chewed it for you....!