Taliban flee battle using children as shields: NATO

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samcdkey said:
No, that would invite retribution. All friends, family and members of the tribe (hamsayas or your shadows, i.e. ones that never abandon you), are a part of Badal and help the aggrieved to get his "exchange". More likely to get information from the boy about which people are in charge, what would hurt their aims, etc.
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This is all great, but what do YOU really think about all this? No more links. No more cut and paste from websites that do the talking. You must have an original thought about the resurgent Taliban, and how NATO is going to deal with this, considering you are supposedly a woman. Any woman who sympathizes with the Taliban is obviously suicidal, and I don't presume you to be so.

Discuss?
 
15ofthe19 said:
This is all great, but what do YOU really think about all this? No more links. No more cut and paste from websites that do the talking. You must have an original thought about the resurgent Taliban, and how NATO is going to deal with this, considering you are supposedly a woman. Any woman who sympathizes with the Taliban is obviously suicidal, and I don't presume you to be so.

Discuss?
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I don't think NATO can ever resolve the situation. Why? Pukhtanwali means that a Pashtun can NEVER refuse help to another Pashtun, it would be a betrayal of his honor. Ergo, regardless of world opinion, the Pashtun will continue to help the Taliban and the indiscriminate bombing by the NATO troops will ensure that hearts and minds are not swayed. I don't support terrorists but I see no end to this problem the way its being tackled at present. Unfortunately most Westerners cannot comprehend the mindset of the people they think they are "liberating". All this forced democracy will have the opposite of the intended consequences.
 
I heard that the afghans are quite vexed about the occupying foreign forces because the balance is not there. They don't get the feeling that they are there to help them. Whether they are there to help them doesn't really matter in this respect.

Also they are not happy about the foreign forces targetting the poppy fields.
 
samcdkey said:
A Pakhtun believes and acts in accordance with the principles of Islamic Law i.e. an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth and blood for blood. He wipes out insult with insult regardless of cost or consequence and vindicates his honor by wiping out disgrace with a suitable action. But the urge for Badal does not mean that he is savage, blood thirsty or devoid of humane qualities. He is kind, affectionate, friendly and magnanimous and forgives any one who kills his relatives by a mistake but he will not allow any intentional murder go unavenged. Proud of his descent, he becomes offensive only when an insult is hurled at him or some injury is done to him deliberately. He goes in search of his enemy, scans the surrounding area and hills, lies in wait for months and years, undergoes all hardships but does not feel content till his efforts of wreaking vengeance on his enemy are crowned with success. Those who fail to fulfil the obligations of Pukhto (self-respect) by wiping out insult with insult, lose their prestige in the eyes of their compatriots, render themselves liable to Paighore (reproach) and earn an unfair name. According to Nang-e-Pakhto or code of honor an unavenged injury is the deepest shame and the honor of the person can be redeemed only by a similar action. It may, however, be noted that "there is little if any random crime or violence" in the tribal areas as the stakes are too high and the retribution too certain to follow.
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Pakhtun must have very small penises….
Haaa … kidding! Actually, I do find this eye-for-an-eye attitude a bit interesting – it’s like traveling back in time to when people lived in caves and when lightening crackled people worried their Gods were mad at them … oh wait a minute.
Really though, lying in wait to kill ones enemy is acting a bit like a sissy.
Do it man to man if it’s personal or don’t do it at all.
:p
In general , over here in a place called “Civilization” we invented this thing called “Law” and this other thing that is derived from it called “Order” hence the time could be used to invent the PC we’re using, say .. over wetting oneself hiding in a cave waiting to get revenge because ones penis is soo utterly small.

Haaa! I’ve never felt the urge for revenge!

Also, I don’t know about you, but I find many people who are “proud” are also very small minded. They fall back on this perceived notion of greatness that they themselves had absolutely nothing to do with. Sometimes, so it seems, the whole of the Middle East is one big blood feud followed by another because people are too proud to pull their head out of their arse.

I was wondering: Do Pakhtun ever avenge their own disgrace by disemboweling themselves (ala Kanadehon Chūshingura style) or is there always someone else to blame?

Michael
 
spuriousmonkey said:
I heard that the afghans are quite vexed about the occupying foreign forces because the balance is not there. They don't get the feeling that they are there to help them. Whether they are there to help them doesn't really matter in this respect.

Also they are not happy about the foreign forces targetting the poppy fields.
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There is way too much BS to figure out the truth of the matter.
Nato is turning a blind eye to the flourishing opium trade in Afghanistan to ensure the support of warlords in the struggle to maintain security in the country, Russia's defence minister has claimed.

Sergei Ivanov said Afghanistan was now producing nine times the quantity of drugs it did under the Taliban.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanistan/story/0,1284,1143881,00.html
 
spuriousmonkey said:
The taliban. A terrorist organization made big by the USA.

Should we blame them or the USA?
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Spurious, it's so much easier to blame the USA. Why wouldn't you take that option? That way, you don't have to think. You can just type up several of your bot-like posts on Word, save them to the desktop, and then whenever a topic comes along that you feel worthy of a post, you don't have to bother actually kick starting that feeble brain of yours to find a response. You can just cut and paste. Ain't the interwebs great?

Now, the problem is that if you're ever actually confronted with a situation that you don't have the obligatory "Well, it's the fault of the U.S. because...", you might be in a bit of trouble. Maybe you can design a bot that can insert other countries into your riveting posts when the situation is applicable.
 
Michael said:
Pakhtun must have very small penises….
Haaa … kidding! Actually, I do find this eye-for-an-eye attitude a bit interesting – it’s like traveling back in time to when people lived in caves and when lightening crackled people worried their Gods were mad at them … oh wait a minute.
Really though, lying in wait to kill ones enemy is acting a bit like a sissy.
Do it man to man if it’s personal or don’t do it at all.
:p
In general , over here in a place called “Civilization” we invented this thing called “Law” and this other thing that is derived from it called “Order” hence the time could be used to invent the PC we’re using, say .. over wetting oneself hiding in a cave waiting to get revenge because ones penis is soo utterly small.

Haaa! I’ve never felt the urge for revenge!

Also, I don’t know about you, but I find many people who are “proud” are also very small minded. They fall back on this perceived notion of greatness that they themselves had absolutely nothing to do with. Sometimes, so it seems, the whole of the Middle East is one big blood feud followed by another because people are too proud to pull their head out of their arse.

I was wondering: Do Pakhtun ever avenge their own disgrace by disemboweling themselves (ala Kanadehon Chūshingura style) or is there always someone else to blame?

Michael
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Actually Pakhtunwali is a pre-Islamic ideology that is peculiar to these people. And its a lot more complex than revenge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pashtunwali#The_Code_of_Pashtunwali

Being a Pashtun means an ancient religious, spiritual, and communal identity tied to a specific set of beliefs, codes, and a linear record of history spanning over five thousand years.

Intrinsically flexible and dynamic, containing modern and ancient principles in one coherent set of teachings, Pashtunwali has core tenets including self-respect, independence, justice, hospitality, love, forgiveness, and tolerance to all (especially to the strangers or guests). Besides the core tenets, Pashtunwali is unique to every Pashtun, and it is considered a personal responsibility to discover what Pashtunwali is.
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spuriousmonkey said:
So easy to blame the taliban for problems the US created. Why don't you take that easy option.
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Right......The U.S. is all to blame for the Taliban. Ok, I think I follow you here. As long as by "The U.S. is to blame for the Taliban", you mean, 1,000 years of Pashtun ethnic pride, combined with 200 years of European colonialism, a series of wars that predate any of us, an ethnic culture that has it's own set of "eye-for-an-eye" bloodlust, and the worlds largest exporter of drugs for the last 30 years, yeah, I get your point. Damn. Why didn't we do more to fix that, considering that in 1979 Afghanistan was the responsibility of the U.S., and the U.S. alone. No way that Sweden, Denmark, Iceland, Norway, Germany or France had a damn thing to with anything. Of course, it was our problem. Because, as history has shown, the diaper wearing dipshits of Europe have not been able to get a damn thing done without the U.S., despite their protestations to the contrary. It's pretty fucking sad when the parent can't get over the fact that the child has over-acheived, and live in that glory, rather than despise it.
 
Buffalo Roam said:
Zakariya04, I can justify this by the fact samcdkey and most like her have never totally denounced the acts of Moslem terrorist, who are using direct quotes from Mohammad to justify their actions, they quote the Quran word perfect and then go on their mission with the blessings of the prophet, what am I to feel, samcdkey and her like excuse every action, and the connection that is apparent is that she is Moslem and they are Moslem, all I seem to see from Moslems is excusing of the terrorist because they are believers of the same religion, and who do they all spring from? The word of Mohammad? Zakariaya its time for the Moslems to denounce these people in no uncertain terms, not only are they killing Christians, Hindu, Animist, but also your fellow Moslems, and what does sam do always point to some other to blame, it time to look at the actions of your own religion, what in the religion of Islam causes people in the 21 century to believe that it is ok to kill people over cultural differences, or the fact that you may live in a poor country, or that your come from a poor back ground, it seem the answer from Mohammad is to go out and take it from the infidels as in his opinion they are not the chosen people, so take all your problem out on the Infidel the Jews and other people you don't like, You are my friend but I'm tired of hearing people defend the atrocities of terrorism committed by terrorist by using moral relativism, what the Moslem terrorist have and are doing is not defensible, to kill in a stand up fight is one thing, but to mutilate, and turn the creation of God, into a quivering mass of screaming pain, and then to hack the head off of a human in a way worse than the butchering of a animal, that has to bring up the question of the beliefs of these people, and the prophet they follow.
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Dear Buffalo,

thank you for your response to my post.

i have to say i am disappointed by it though, as you seem to have fallen into the trap of Bin Lid and his bunch of Saudi backed whabbist imberciles.

I really dont understand why you say us muslims dont condem these people, i know sam and ghost do, and i do too..

did you read my thread as below

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=62704


this is just one of the many posts i have made deoncuncing these arseholes..

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Take care
zak
 
15ofthe19 said:
Because, as history has shown, the diaper wearing dipshits of Europe have not been able to get a damn thing done without the U.S., despite their protestations to the contrary.
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dunno...hitler rolled over france pretty quickly. germany is european. in fact, i live an hour and 20 minutes from the border.
 
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