what atheistic arguments are there for suicide being a condemned option?
Students to be taught there isn't a God
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Lets just say that the trend until now has been older persons committing suicide, not young individuals. Even the suicide bomber is a modern phenomenon and is present in societies where so called secular societies have been forcibly imposed.
Also if I recall, the US banned the teaching of Japanese religion after WWII
http://wapedia.mobi/en/Religion_in_Japan
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You just say things that sound nice, with no regard to facts, don't you?
No atheist (e before i) makes suicide a ritual. It is a shameful, private act. The superstitious, on the other hand, make it public, do it in groups, or use the act as a weapon in a holy campaign.
Kamikaze pilots carried out their missions for the living god, their emperor. Others have pointed out that cults performed mass suicides. Muslims blow themselves up for religious favor. Monks immolate themselves out of religious devotion. If you believe the Jesus myth, then the Christian god himself came down in a suicide ploy to forgive sins.
My personal Sci-Forums experience would probably brighten with LG off my ignore list and you on it.
Bells
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So how would you explain the Saudi's banning Christians in the country, the right to worship?
Do you classify Israel as being more secular? How about in Pakistan? Bali? You do realise that the Balinese people are very very religious, don't you? Who was imposing secularism on them?
That no matter how fucked up life can be at any given moment, it can and does get better and ending it all is not the answer. We don't tell depressed people that they'll go to hell for all eternity if they kill themselves. You don't want to depress a depressed person even more with that kind of rhetoric.lightgigantic said:
Why is it shameful? or private?
Who cares? They have their own crazy society and they appear to like it. No native Christians there. Its a kingdom.
Did you miss the British and Dutch occupations? The divide and rule? The redrawn borders?
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The older ones would tend to be more religious, not less.
So, it's not just atheism, but also secularism that robs us of our will to live?
Bells
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Just as the Victorians have their own "crazy society" (I've lived there and yes, it is crazy..
) and appear to like it and like the fact that children in schools should learn about all aspects of religion, even the belief of humanists who believe that there is no evidence of God? But this "native" in SA doesn't seem to like it too much:
Fun times!
But they kept their religion. In fact, in Bali, religious temples are just about on every single street corner and yard, with offerings placed there daily by the Balinese people.
Just as the Victorians have their own "crazy society" (I've lived there and yes, it is crazy..
As long as he doesn't start a suicide club, I have no objections.
Sounds implausible. Where would he convert? How? You have to know the Saudi mentality. Its highly unlikely for a Saudi to convert, almost like a redneck converting to an African religion. Saudis are severely against idolatory.
So did we, but the partition never went away.
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"...there is no evidence God exists." That happens to be a scientific fact. And a mathematical fact. A logical fact, and just about every other kind of fact. They aren't teaching them God doesn't exist. As many theists point out to me, religion and God is about faith, to test the nonbelievers. So there can never be any evidence for God, for that would be evidence God did not exist. All they are teaching them are facts, and letting the student decide for themselves, from what I've gathered from the article.
They could teach kids that very information. It could be true Xenu is real, but there`s no "good" "scientific" evidence to suggest that`s the case. Nevertheless, Xenu may be real. See, very easy. Teach children that Mohammad may be a composit charcter, and actually, the evidence suggests its so. Teach children that thinking rationally about the Qur`an means explaining it`s inseption through rational means - aka, it was a product of men over years. Teaching children to reason and think is what`s important.
Of course.
Why should they not be taught about religions and different beliefs? Pupils are taught about other faiths and their traditions just like they are taught about the traditions of the ancient Egyptians, the Greeks etc. The religions of others is relevant to the World we live in now, how can you not want to learn about religion? (nothing to do with embracing any religion) Doesn't make sense.
Who is kicking up the most fuss?
Regarding that post, it was obviously off-topic (like a lot of posts in this thread) and not connected to the opening post.
A fanatic is someone that is aggressive, someone that is insensitive and considers him/herself to be superior than the oblivious heathens. I have seen these attributes in some religion mateys, I’ve seen them in professors, scientists, atheists etc. The funniest thing to see is atheist fanatics attacking the normal, goody two-shoe, cuddly type of theist because of a perceived fanaticism regarding some pointless issue, these atheists exhibit the same qualities as the very people they consider to be their greatest enemy.
Sounds a lot like ‘religion’ to me.
I hope you enjoyed that book and no coffee was spilt on your clothes, God knows what caused the woman to react like that. Maybe you had a violent altercation with her a while back but just didn’t recognise her. There could be a million and one possiblities, its nuts! Do you tap desks or have any habits like that? Maybe you were sipping your coffee loudly? Its also possible that what happened had absolutely nothing to do with your book, maybe you’re reading too much into this whole thing.
Why should there be any? The arguments are conditional upon the situation.
No, believing in God makes you gullible and needy. It also makes you a threat to free thought, and freedom in general.