to quote harry potter. once again you put your keen and piercing intellect to the task and come to the wrong answer. zimmerman stalked a kid provoked a conflict and than killed him when he defended himself. he would have never gone after him the way did had he not been carrying a gun.
this is YOUR POV on the subject. I see it differently
he would have never gone after him the way did had he not been carrying a gun.
you dont know this for a fact unless Zimmerman himself specifically said it
I would have, armed with a gun or not... so it is safe to assume others would as well.
I suggest you look up the term ancedotal evidence
why? did I imply that I was presenting something different?
your original statement was
anyone who thinks people carry guns makes everyone safer needs to look up the weapon effect. the weapon effect can be summed up quite simply as merely carrying a weapon makes one more likely to preceive actions as threatening whether they or aren't.
[sic] this is untrue as written, and is considered personal conjecture unless there is some corroborating empirical evidence proving otherwise. Given there was none attached, then your statement stands as untrue until you prove otherwise, just like I posted.
I used anecdotal first hand experience to support my conclusions and even though it is circumstantial, it is used as corroborating evidence in support of a conclusion because it is known from first hand account, not secondary sources
and your links/proof supports this assertion?
from your original comment
again untrue. cops and soldiers show it to. people trained as much as possible to not be effected by it
[sic] which was a REPLY to the comment BY ME here
A person trained and experienced with a weapon will normally only use it as a last resort. And conceal carry classes teach that it is to be used as a last resort as well.
This is true from personal observation as well as experience and study. IF you make a claim like
carrying a weapon also greatly increases the likelyhood of misidientifing an object as a weapon. and carrying a weapon makes more agressive, ie more likely to threaten others
[sic] from post #823
an assertion made without evidence can be summarily dismissed without evidence, especially when there is evidence to the contrary, which I provided from personal background and years of study and experience in the field as well as due to a constant exposure to others carrying weapons.
I am not claiming anything untrue.
You assume that all persons carrying will be more aggressive and more likely to threaten others as well as more likely to perceive actions as threatening whether they are or aren't
and I am telling you that in my experiences as well as in my history of use and constant contact with others that carry/use/protect others that this is untrue, and that we've usually tried everything to defuse situations before resorting to weapons (even in situations where weapons were justified or required).
So, from my history and experience, I believe the statement to be wrong, and posted about said experience, which is a far cry more than the links/prof that you have supplied supporting your conclusions
but that's just it. you don't. how do i know you don't cause last time i checked your human being and human beings don't respond well to facts. and yes i won't cause your already starting with your temper tantrum.
and this supports your conclusions of what, exactly?
I respond just fine to facts. In fact, I PREFER facts. I can also admit when I am wrong. This is part of growing up... so your comment here is just your immaturity talking and it is your own personal inadequacies showing through in your argument.
I've started no tantrum. I want proof. Scientific studies from peer reviewed sources or something like Billvon posted to me above.
I APPRECIATE those kinds of things because it helps me learn, and that is something that I enjoy.
So don't project your personal failings onto me
essentially, your quote above is saying "neener neener. i'm right and you're wrong and i dont have to prove anything because I am posting just to make you mad"
at this point, failure to post corroborating evidence will only support the conclusion that you are here to Troll and piss people off.
If you wish to continue this discourse, I am requesting the evidence because I want facts and proof of comment
you don't HAVE to, and you may have your reasons, but that will also mean that I don't/won't reply or even be kind from this point on
Your right I don't carry but its not because i'm afraid of guns. that's your bias
you are correct, it IS my bias, but you've not shown any other evidence to support that you don't carry for any other reason, especially with the written posts to date.
You've been attacking guns through a personal perception of a situation instead of presenting facts, which usually means that you have personal issues that need to be dealt with in regard to the issue (which is ALSO psychology)
I don't carry because I know my self and I never want to be in the position where shooting someone looks like a good idea. when you hold a hammer everything looks like a nail.
I've never found a single situation where shooting anyone seems like "a good idea" either... even the situations where I was forced to use my weapon, so in that we can agree.
But that does not mean that I carry because I want to shoot people, because I am aggressive, or to do anything other than to protect myself. Where I live, it is not an option: there are lethal predators that may consider you a threat or a meal, so it is a necessary tool in order to stay alive
I've never met a bear or mountain lion that was willing to talk things over before attacking.
From this point on, I am waiting for your proof and some facts like Billvon gave me.
I truly appreciate his post, and I will be reading what he has given me to look at, because that is how I am wired.
I am an investigator. I KNOW people have different opinions and perspectives... and that the same situation can be seen differently by all parties who witness it.
it also means that I enjoy facts over anything else.
