No, we were discussing the matter of the legality of Freddie Gray's knife. Having failed to read my quotation of the relevant law or the description of the knife, you were once again demanding support for an assertion whose support you had not bothered to read in the first place. So I politely referred you to it. I suggest you read it.
LOL, so I guess you are going to forget the last two and a half weeks of discussion, you know the whole part about where you asserted policemen prematurely drawdown on blacks and cited Officer Wilson as an example? The knife discussion occurred 2 and a half weeks ago. On May 7, you quoted the Baltimore knife law and you referenced the incorrect article. Below is the correct citation.
http://www.sciforums.com/threads/so...baltimore-tonight.145828/page-10#post-3296110
§ 59-22. Switch-blade knives.
(a)
Possession or sale, etc., prohibited.
It shall be unlawful for any person to sell, carry, or possess any knife with an automatic spring or
other device for opening and/or closing the blade, commonly known as a switch-blade knife.
(b)
Penalties.
Any person violating the provisions of this section, shall, upon conviction thereof, be fined not
more than $500 or be imprisoned for not more than 1 year, or both, in the discretion of the court. – Baltimore City Code.
And then you went on to equate switch blades with knives carried by tradesmen in their tool belts. I have never known a tradesman to carry a switchblade.
I don't know. When you claimed to know why certain charges were dropped.
For the umpteenth time, when did I claim I knew why certain charges were dropped? Please provide the text in which I claimed to know why certain charges were dropped. You have been repeatedly asked to prove your assertion that I claimed to know why the charges of false imprisonment were dropped. You cannot, because it doesn’t exist. So you just repeat your lie. You have been caught in yet another lie Ice. I merely asked a question, one of the many questions you have yet to answer, probably because you cannot answer them without admitting to the untruthfulness of your assertions.
I I quoted the law, and compared its description with the that of the knife found and the jackknife in my own pocket, which is sold in the hardware departments of Baltimore stores.
So craftsmen carry around “switchblades” do they? The Baltimore statue clearly and unequivocally identifies and forbids switchblades. It doesn’t make knives carried by tradesmen illegal. You are being more than a little disingenuous again.
Do you have any evidence to support your claim Baltimore department stores are selling switchblades? Of course you don’t, because they aren’t. Unfortunately for you Ice, fact and reason do matter.
You have a serious reading comprehension problem. You had just quoted my post, for chrissake.
LOL, yeah I did quote you and I’ll do it again for your edification, “You can also see that the knife Gray was carrying was almost certainly legal under that law”. Why did you preface your statement with the word “almost”. Unfortunately for you Ice words do have meanings. I suggest you look up the meaning of the word “almost”. As I said before, switchblades are either legal or they are not, and the Baltimore City Code clearly and explicitly and contrary to your assertions makes switchblades illegal.
Below is the Webster's definition of the word "almost" for your edification.
“very nearly but not exactly or entirely” <we're
almost there>
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/almost
I suggest you reread what you were trying to claim: that police can detain American citizens indefinitely, and search them without reasonable cause for suspicion. Compare your posting with your links. "Indefinite" detention and "brief" detention are not the same thing, btw.
I suggest you try being honest. The issue here was the right of police to detain and search people. And as I previously wrote and provided references, police can detain people based on reasonable suspicion and I referenced a Wiki article on the issue of reasonable suspicion. I also referenced articles on detention. Contrary to your assertion, police in this country do have the right to detain people long enough to complete their investigation and I have examples. In most jurisdictions, people can be detained for a period of 72 hours (Saturday, Sunday and Holidays excluded) without charges being filed. I also cited an article published by the American Civil Liberties Union which voices its objection to the indefinite detention provisions contained within the National Defense Authorization Act.
The unpleasant fact for you Ice, is you are clearly wrong yet again. And why you think brief (whatever brief is) and indefinite are relevant here is baffling. Because, the length of detention isn’t relevant in the Gray case, in the Gray case the issue is whither police had the right to detain Mr. Gray, and clearly per the previously referenced materials, they did.
They aren't being treated the same - that's the problem here. It's causing hard feelings, even riots. So?
Really. So you are unaware of the fact that police in the US often enforce the law differently in different neighborhoods?
Oh, and where is your evidence blacks are not being treated the same? That is the problem here; you have no evidence to back up your beliefs. Yes, police may enforce laws differently from jurisdiction in the US, because unlike other countries we have a fragmented system of laws and law enforcement. Each state, county, and municipality makes their own laws and each has a law enforcement entity to enforce their laws. Marijuana laws are not enforced by state and municipal governments in Colorado, but in surrounding states marijuana laws are rigorously enforced. But that doesn’t in any way imply the racism.
Yes, there is. Quite a bit, ranging from Gray's history of lead poisoning to the manner in which the police handled his detainment.
Hmm, so lead poisoning is racist? And how do you know Mr. Gray suffered from lead poisoning? I grew up in an era in which lead was ubiquitous. It was in the pipe, in the paint, and in our gasoline. I remember as a child playing with paint chips and smelling the gasoline all of which contained lead and I’m white, so am I a victim of white racism? Two, how do you know Mr. Gray suffered from lead poisoning?
As I previously wrote, there is evidence police have physically abused whites just as they abused blacks. So where is your evidence blacks are treated differently than whites or other races by the Baltimore Police Department.
This kind of garbage is uncommon in white neighborhoods, and very rarely happens to white people in any neighborhood.
Then it should be easy to provide some evidence to back up your beliefs. Yet you have none.
Social status in the US varies by race.
And what does that mean exactly and how is that relevant? I really don’t think that matters much to the victim of unwarranted police violence or neglect. The unpleasant fact for you is the problems demonstrated by the Gray incident in Baltimore are much deeper than just race.
Racism past and present is a significant factor in every single one of those - often the major factor, as in Baltimore.
Except you have no evidence to support that belief. Half of the police officers involved in the Baltimore case were black, and the officer charged with the murder of Mr. Gray is black. So that kind of works against your belief in racism as a causal factor in Mr. Gray's untimely demise.