But like I said, problems that almost everyone has to deal with. So what's the point of adding those statistics to the discussion? The only reason would be to make it look as if gays are unfit to adopt children and well, it fails horrendously. You can't compare petty high school problems to older mature people that have gone through that stage who now want to adopt kids. - me
I said the same thing...so we agree on that?
You said it, I didn't. And it would only fail to a person with blinders on like you. Someone who's scared to recognize the negative's in the matter! - Reign
What the hell? Talk about selective reading trying to underline my words to give it a meaning that it has not. Uh, the key words aren't "gays are unfit", it's "as if" they are.
NO reasons to hide....far from it....I'm colorblind as you should be!
Wow, so you just see people as black and white, huh? How racist. What about other ethnic groups? Joke!
A single stable person (I can't believe I have to tell you this!) is someone with good family values, stable emotional behavior, stable work ethic, Extended family...ie...parents, sister/s, brother/s, to help with rearing child/ren. A person with strength....and before you say it. I said single stable person who could in fact, be gay...Your opinion about single parenting is just that! An opinion. Some people (like myself) would disagree.
Duh, I obviously know THAT part of what stability is. My main question was if only heterosexuals are considered stable because someone like you would say that homosexuals are unstable. But hey, at least you say that can be stable.. but of course, they still have to be in the back of the bus, err, at the bottom of the adoption list.
And I love how you disagree about single parenting, that just takes the cake and shows how wrong you are in this whole argument. If you think those high school gay statistics looked bad, go take a look at some single parenting statistics. Single parenting is one of the worst ways to bring up a child but you just love to ignore statistics. You won't believe those single parent ones and all the gay statistics are also flawed in your eyes as well. Just look at the link you posted for us, that christian site says all gay statistics are wrong and only theirs are right. LoL, and YOU say I'm the one with blinders on?
And now you claim that the word Dude is a white word?????
Yeah nigga, y'know what I'm sayin?
First off, the dude comment was a joke. But yes, most people who DO use that word are in fact white, just as most people who say "boo" and "nigga" are black. Lemme guess, you're now gonna call me racist for admiting those FACTS. Damn boo, lighten up. Oops, I guess I should say EASE up because you might think I'm saying "whiten up" or some stupid thing. Err damn, but now I can't say ease up cause you'll think I'm calling you Eazy-E. LoL, I just can't win.
Again racism means - "The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. A homosexual is a man. I'm not racist against a man. A lesbian is a woman. I'm not racist against a woman.
"Once again! I'm not discriminating against some homo's....I'm against all homo's who want to adopt children. That's it!
And you call me Racist?
I like how you continue your responses on the word "racist". That's not the point of what I'm quoting. The part I'm focusing on is the sentence above it. You don't want "homo's" adopting children just as whites back in the days don't want "niggers" drinking for the same water fountain, sitting next to them on a bus, going to the same schools, using the same restrooms, voting, marrying white men/women, or any other example. The limitation you want to place on them is no different than the limitation of what blacks had. That is why I call you a sad black woman. Why would you want them to go through the same limiting ordeals that your people had to go through? Maybe it's because you didn't have to deal with those issues since you didn't live in those times just as the Jews of today continue to complain about the Holocaust in which they didn't live through. Basically you, and them, are ALL TALK. You're stingy mothaf'ers only worried about the benefits of yourselves rather than the benefits of humanity. So long as you don't have any problems, it's all good, but you could care less about others having to go through the same problems. That's why I called you an uncaring b**** those past couple times in certain responses.
There is no difference between someone who discriminates (which you call yourself) and someone who is a racist. They both discriminate, just against a different group. We have racists that dislike other races, we have sexists that dislike other sexes, and we have homophobes that dislike those who sexually prefer the same sex. For you to dislike racists yet at the same time disliking homosexuals is hypocritical. This is the reason why your argument cannot be taken seriously. You talk the talk but don't walk the walk.
This is one of the many reasons I listen to you and Bells argument. You can call me what you want but the end result is I'd rather protect the children who have no say so, instead of turning my back on certain people and subjects. History has proven time and time again that some people can't make good decisions when faced with real life problems.
If that is so, then why do you turn your back on homosexuals?
And for not wanting homosexuals to adopt children because you care about the children and the statistics you read make them look bad, again, those are high school statistics. To judge people off a time of experimentation and other peer pressure things happen is stupid. I betcha even the Pope was a lil demon at that age, but look where he is now. If everyone were judged off things they did when they were young, NOBODY would be fit to do ANYTHING, lol. You seriously need to look at other studies, but of course your Christian website says all other studies are wrong, which is no surprise as that's the usual ignorant Christian way of doing things where only what they say is truth and everything else are the lies of Satan. Shall I post some statistics that show how bad many blacks or mexicans have it during high school and base them off that which basically means blacks and mexicans shouldn't be allowed to adopt as well? No, because that would be stupid using meaningless statistics that deal with a later time that has nothing to do with a now more matured person, yet you seem to cling on that. Tsk tsk, not wanting blacks and mexicans to adopt as well all because of high school statistics. Shame on you.
So that means that gay men can marry women and lesbian women can marry men? They would be treated like us other folk then right? Let me clear another thing up for you. I am from Florida! It's not legal for gays to adopt or marry there (unless they're in the closet).
So they are in fact:
Bigots( One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ) who wants us to
Discriminate (To make distinctions on the basis of class or category without regard to individual merit; show preference or prejudice) against them?
Lol, another, what the hell? So a gay woman and a gay man that marry each other are now bigots? That makes absolutely no sense. Yeah, a heterosexual man/woman couple that marries each other are now bigots too, I guess. WTH? Lol. If they are in fact, bigots, it's only because the laws FORCED them to be bigots since they can't marry those of a preferred sexual preference. But even then, they're not bigots because the law of marriage is between a man and a woman, NOT a law between those who prefer to have sex with the opposite sex. Now if having sex was the law for marriage, then a gay couple marrying the opposite sex would be a bigot, but they're not because that's not the law.
In order to have a defense, one must first have an offense. No one in the world will agree on everything at the same time. But I thought you said that homo/les. are in the same category...wanted to be treated the same....and yet know you recognize them as different?
And the so called good christian people..like I stated "The very people/book (type) who told you that slavery was/is wrong, stealing is wrong, prostitution is wrong, lying is wrong, MURDERING is wrong, infedility is wrong....the very same people(book) that told you these things are the very same people(book) that's telling you now! That homosexuality...ie...gay/lesbian adoption and marriage is wrong. And you trust in it then, but you don't trust it now. You guys (past,present) are the same people who thought slavery was right, rape was ok , being gay is ok. You're the same people that have to be told to put on fuc&king seatbelt to save your own life! How insane is that!
Well it seems you're ignorant of our laws. Church and State are seperate, but we still have outdated laws that exist, such as not allowing homosexuals to marry because that's a religious issue.
Second, and this will be a quick and easy, yet also fun one as I love debating religion, shall I post a numerous list of stupid laws and beliefs in the Bible that today are seen wrong? Do you not realize that where you see homosexuality as wrong in the Bible, those are NOT the word's of God but rather the words and beliefs of men? And as we all know, morals and beliefs change all the time amongst men so to use man's word in the Bible as law is silly. Go ahead and use God's words in there, but you're not.
Lesbian and gay youth commit 30% of the completed suicides annually with suicide being the leading cause of death.
30% of suicides are gay? LoL, so that means 70% of the annual suicides are heterosexuals. Wow, I don't want a heterosexual to adopt a child.
28% of gay/lesbians high school students in a national study were seen to have dropped out of school because of harassment resulting from their sexual orientation.
This one is funny because the gays didn't drop out due to not being able to handle the school work, but rather it was because of harassment and hate. So that makes heterosexuals look bad for having a high case of anger issues as well as being stupid when it comes to learning. Shall I post the dropout rates of other minority groups? Or even more amusing, their graduating GPA? And the other three of your statistics (the first two were just repeats of two lower ones) just shows the same.. heterosexuals being violent people. How odd that they're better candidates by you to raise children.
Of course that's why! Are you this stupid? Less children being born to children and grown ups who don't want them is better for everyone else.
So isn't that a good thing for homosexuals to marry? They can't have children so that means less children being born and it also means no giving up their baby's to those gays that prematurely have them at an age where they can't take care of em (school, etc). So now that we have all these childless homosexuals, they get to raise all the children that were abandoned by heterosexuals rather than leaving there to rot and grow up on their own in orphanges.
A man (naturally) is supposed to be with (procreate) with a woman....no ifs ands or buts about! It's what nature intended...period!
Yeah, and? Natural procreating has nothing to do with marriage. There are many married couples that choose to not have children or cannot have children due to reproductive reasons. Not only that, there are many people that have children that aren't even married. And not only that, if a homosexual chooses to want a child, they can naturally have sex with the opposite sex. Your ideal religious views on marriage, sex, and everything else simply do not exist. Quit living in your fantasy land.
I know from personal experience that growing up in a homosexual household is not the best experience! Not good at all which is why I'm against gay marriage and adoption.
Wow, talk about a jack of all trades here. We have a black/indian woman who lives with a white stepfather and a homosexual sister/brother/mother/father/grandparent (?). Anything else crazy to add to the list?
I'm going to say this for the last time. "I said that gays/lesbians can marry and adopt"
Err, when'd you say gays and lesbians can marry? Do you mean marry the opposite sex or be allowed to marry any sex they choose, even if it's the same? But even then, they still have to be at the back of the bus, err, bottom of the adoption and marriage list.
"Among children raised by same-sex couples, the report notes a significant increase in low self-esteem, stress, confusion regarding sexual identity, an increase in mental illness, drug use, promiscuity, STD’s, and homosexual behaviour, amongst others. Furthermore, the report shows that statistics have brought to light the fact that same-sex relationships betray a much higher instance of separation and break-up than heterosexual relationships, increasing the likelihood that the child will experience familial instability".
She probably finds it funny for the same reason I do. All of those reasons you list exist in everyone, heterosexual couples too. And what is that "significant increase" of all those activies being raised by same-sex couples? What's the percentage number? And the other reason why it's funny is because that's not what ALL THE OTHER statistics say, but of course, as your site says:
"The report contests that the majority of the studies carried out which have concluded in favour of same-sex parenthood betray an egregious lack of scientific rigour. Most of the studies show a strong bias to one side."
Heh, as usual, the RELIGIOUS people say other people lack scientific rigour, lol. That's damned funny. Almost everyone on these forums, other than the religiously brainwashed, would find that statement hilarious.
Good grief! The pretty colours again. Reighn, have you been snorting bleach up your nose?
No, she's secretly part of the Rainbow Coalition as I mentioned earlier.
Do I distinguish them as different? I treat them like I treat everyone else. They're human beings Reighn.
No...to you their homosexual human...not just human...which means that they aren't the same. How you treat them? If you treat them like everyone else, judging by your post then I'm surprised you even have friends or are these the only type of people who would befriend you?
Now that's funny too. The person who doesn't like homosexuals is telling the other person that THEY'RE the one who treats them differently? LoL! You're starting to use the argument style of Baron Max now. I suggest you quit before others put you on ignore as they did him.
I know with definitive proof that a man is designed (remember hole and stick) to be with a woman to mainly continue the blood line
I thought it was about the bird swallowing the bee? Joke!
if people who believe in equal rights make you sick then that's your problem, not mine
That's just it! They have the same rights as you and me....a man can marry a woman vice versa....they can adopt as well....Your point??????
They can adopt as well? Didn't you just say you're from Florida where gay adoption isn't legal? And oh god, there we go again with the Baron Max style of argument.
And yet again, some questions which you have always dodged, which I don't blame you as it'd just continue to point out all the holes in your beliefs:
Since natural reproduction is the reason why you don't want homosexuals to marry, what is your opinion on couples that get married but choose to not have kids or couples that get married and want to have kids but can't biologically due to reproductive problems? And also, since you as a black/indian/whatever-else-you-may-be woman who has gone through prejudice, or at least the majority of those two racials groups have, why would you wish others, such as gays, or anyone for that matter, to go through that; as minor as it may be?
- N