Sad milestone, American victims of Islamic terrorists reach 3,000!

[S.A.M.]

Samcdkey


And what do you think that opinion is? From what I have read yes the Iraqi's want us to leave, but not until the country can stand on it's own, tell me what you think will happen if we leave? Peace? what do you want to bet, and what do you want to bet that the terrorist won't stop, and that they will follow us back to America and continue the Attack, that the attacks around the world will also continue and increase, do you want to bet?

And the solution is...?

 

[Baron Max]

Who is the target, the enemy? Against whom is the US fighting in Iraq?

The radical Muslims who are killing the other radical Muslims, that's who!

Baron Max

 

[Baron Max]

And the solution is...?

Well, it's obvious to me ....if there were no Muslims in the world, there'd be no terrorism or terrorist attacks (or at least damned few, if any!). And you wonder why the west is fearful of, and maybe hates, Muslims???

Baron Max

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Let the Military do it's job and keep the politicians out of the military planning until the mission is accomplished and the war is won and they are needed to conclude the peace treaty.

 

[spidergoat]

That is probably the stupidest argument you have ever made, B-max. If there were no guns there would be no shootings, if there were no air there would be no lung cancer...

 

[Nickelodeon]

until the mission is accomplished and the war is won

So basically until everyone is dead.

 

[Baron Max]

That is probably the stupidest argument you have ever made, B-max. If there were no guns there would be no shootings, ...

Which is exactly the same argument that people make when supporting gun control. And if I'm not mistaken, it's one that you support, too. Interesting, huh?

Baron Max

 

[spidergoat]

Let the Military do it's job and keep the politicians out of the military planning until the mission is accomplished and the war is won and they are needed to conclude the peace treaty.

That part of the operation was finished in about two weeks. But that wasn't good enough for Bush, he had to install a puppet government and permanent bases to keep control over the OIL!

 

[S.A.M.]

So basically until everyone is dead.

In other words:

The sad part in all this is that if the US will support a majority regime (Shias), Saudi Arabia will fund Sunni insurgents to offset Iranian influence at its border- they are already building walls there. If its a minority regime, Iran will help the majority ethnic group. The US has single handedly written the death warrant of all the Iraqi people, unless it gets another Saddam, who will be against both Saudi Arabia and Iran and will have the will to suppress any opposition, because he wants a secular country. So what does this war achieve for Iraq besides mass murder of innocents?

 

[Baron Max]

So basically until everyone is dead.

No, not everyone. Just those who'd take up arms and try to kill others ...in particularly, other Muslims!

I believe that the term you're searching for is ....surrender by the Muslim radicals and insurgents. Sort of like we had in Japan and Germany in World War II. Or would you have preferred that we still be fighting those wars???

Baron Max

 

[Nickelodeon]

No, not everyone. Just those who'd take up arms and try to kill others ...

Then you better kill yourselves.

 

[S.A.M.]

No, not everyone. Just those who'd take up arms and try to kill others ...in particularly, other Muslims!

I believe that the term you're searching for is ....surrender by the Muslim radicals and insurgents. Sort of like we had in Japan and Germany in World War II. Or would you have preferred that we still be fighting those wars???

Baron Max

Makes perfect sense.

So who are the insurgents in Iraq? I mean, since the US is saving the innocent Iraqis from these evil insurgents, they can tell which is which right?

 

[Buffalo Roam]

spidergoat

That part of the operation was finished in about two weeks. But that wasn't good enough for Bush, he had to install a puppet government and permanent bases to keep control over the OIL!

This show how much you really understand about military operations, people like you don't ever want to account for the fact that the enemy has a brain and does tactical adjustment to the situation presented to them, yes we made mistakes, they are made in every war, but that doesn't mean that you pack your duffel and quit, you adjust your tactic's to, if the politicians let you, and keep killing the enemy, until he quits, and asks for peace, there are many similarities to WWII, but there are many differences, and one of those differences is that this is a religious war, a crusade by the Moslems, and it doesn't involve state entities, so this is and will be a long dirty, vicious fight with people who pay no attention to the Laws Of War, and it will not be done in a few years like WWII, and it won't stop just because we disengage and go home, they will be like the plague, they will follow us home and through out the world, spreading just like the plague they are.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Makes perfect sense.

i wonder sam if you are an american citizen. you dont sound like you support america in any way.

 

[S.A.M.]

spidergoat



This show how much you really understand about military operations, people like you don't ever want to account for the fact that the enemy has a brain and does tactical adjustment to the situation presented to them, yes we made mistakes, they are made in every war, but that doesn't mean that you pack your duffel and quit, you adjust your tactic's to, if the politicians let you, and keep killing the enemy, until he quits, and asks for peace, there are many similarities to WWII, but there are many differences, and one of those differences is that this is a religious war, a crusade by the Moslems, and it doesn't involve state entities, so this is and will be a long dirty, vicious fight with people who pay no attention to the Laws Of War, and it will not be done in a few years like WWII, and it won't stop just because we disengage and go home, they will be like the plague, they will follow us home and through out the world, spreading just like the plague they are.

Interesting philosophy. Sounds exactly like the terrorist rhetoric about the US.

And as I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America in order that they taste some of what we tasted and so that they be deterred from killing our women and children.

And that day, it was confirmed to me that oppression and the intentional killing of innocent women and children is a deliberate American policy. Destruction is freedom and democracy, while resistance is terrorism and intolerance.

This means the oppressing and embargoing to death of millions as Bush Sr did in Iraq in the greatest mass slaughter of children mankind has ever known, and it means the throwing of millions of pounds of bombs and explosives at millions of children - also in Iraq - as Bush Jr did, in order to remove an old agent and replace him with a new puppet to assist in the pilfering of Iraq's oil and other outrages.

So with these images and their like as their background, the events of September 11th came as a reply to those great wrongs, should a man be blamed for defending his sanctuary?

Is defending oneself and punishing the aggressor in kind, objectionable terrorism? If it is such, then it is unavoidable for us.

This is the message which I sought to communicate to you in word and deed, repeatedly, for years before September 11th.

And you can read this, if you wish, in my interview with Scott in Time Magazine in 1996, or with Peter Arnett on CNN in 1997, or my meeting with John Weiner in 1998.

You can observe it practically, if you wish, in Kenya and Tanzania and in Aden. And you can read it in my interview with Abdul Bari Atwan, as well as my interviews with Robert Fisk.

The latter is one of your compatriots and co-religionists and I consider him to be neutral. So are the pretenders of freedom at the White House and the channels controlled by them able to run an interview with him? So that he may relay to the American people what he has understood from us to be the reasons for our fight against you?

If you were to avoid these reasons, you will have taken the correct path that will lead America to the security that it was in before September 11th. This concerned the causes of the war.

As for it's results, they have been, by the grace of Allah, positive and enormous, and have, by all standards, exceeded all expectations. This is due to many factors, chief among them, that we have found it difficult to deal with the Bush administration in light of the resemblance it bears to the regimes in our countries, half of which are ruled by the military and the other half which are ruled by the sons of kings and presidents.

Our experience with them is lengthy, and both types are replete with those who are characterised by pride, arrogance, greed and misappropriation of wealth. This resemblance began after the visits of Bush Sr to the region.

At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretence of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn't forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region's presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.

This is in addition to our having experience in using guerrilla warfare and the war of attrition to fight tyrannical superpowers, as we, alongside the mujahidin, bled Russia for 10 years, until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Interesting philosophy. Sounds exactly like the terrorist rhetoric about the US.

so you compare blood thirsty animals to b.r. ? the problem is the terrorists who want to blow up everyone who isnt muslim, and they are driven by belief. i wonder, in ww2 would you call the death camps resistance too.

 

[S.A.M.]

so you compare blood thirsty animals to b.r. ? the problem is the terrorists who want to blow up everyone who isnt muslim, and they are driven by belief. i wonder, in ww2 would you call the death camps resistance too.

Unless I'm mistaken, Iraq is mostly Muslim. More BS rhetoric.

 

[spidergoat]

spidergoat



This show how much you really understand about military operations, people like you don't ever want to account for the fact that the enemy has a brain and does tactical adjustment to the situation presented to them, yes we made mistakes, they are made in every war, but that doesn't mean that you pack your duffel and quit, you adjust your tactic's to, if the politicians let you, and keep killing the enemy, until he quits, and asks for peace, there are many similarities to WWII, but there are many differences, and one of those differences is that this is a religious war, a crusade by the Moslems, and it doesn't involve state entities, so this is and will be a long dirty, vicious fight with people who pay no attention to the Laws Of War, and it will not be done in a few years like WWII, and it won't stop just because we disengage and go home, they will be like the plague, they will follow us home and through out the world, spreading just like the plague they are.

Gee, I thought we went to stop Saddam's WMDs from proliferating or being used in an attack against us or our allies.

The fact that we went to war against Al Quida, and the members of Al Quida are Muslims has nothing to do with the fact that most Iraqis are also Muslims. Just who is fighting a holy war against whom?

Who is the enemy in Iraq? Sunnis are killing us, and Shia are killing us. The only ones not killing us are the Kurds.

Follow us home? Like they can't find America without a trail of breadcrumbs?

 

[S.A.M.]

i wonder sam if you are an american citizen. you dont sound like you support america in any way.

I don't support US foreign policy. I believe if unchecked in it's present course, it will lead to the destruction of American society and all it stands for.

 

[spidergoat]

so you compare blood thirsty animals to b.r. ? the problem is the terrorists who want to blow up everyone who isn't muslim, and they are driven by belief. i wonder, in ww2 would you call the death camps resistance too.

The terrorists (Muslim extremists) want to blow up Muslims, too. They do not consider Muslims aligned with the US or those who advocate anything other than Islamic law to be real Muslims.