Pfft. It was your link. Probably changed by now; I hear MSA at USC got in a lot of shit over the shit they preach.
Rules of War in the Quran
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Pfft. It was your link. Probably changed by now; I hear MSA at USC got in a lot of shit over the shit they preach.
Ah, here's an article about them changing the site. Not too surprised.
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=B8C058A7-2423-4C6E-B15C-84A7ABEDEB09
http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=B8C058A7-2423-4C6E-B15C-84A7ABEDEB09
Aha! I found an external link on it (http://www.sciforums.com/Islam-In-Europe-t-72868.html) that gives the MSA link. This is the "upright and moral" one you quoted me. Note my comment, from ages gone by:
"GeoffP11-20-07, 04:00 AM
Whoops: here's a link to the tafsir for Sura 9. Sam suggested it to me, but I lost the link.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html"
Of course if you try that now, you get a different page with no helpful culturocidal explanation at the bottom now.
Give it time, though, and I'm sure it will come back.
"GeoffP11-20-07, 04:00 AM
Whoops: here's a link to the tafsir for Sura 9. Sam suggested it to me, but I lost the link.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html"
Of course if you try that now, you get a different page with no helpful culturocidal explanation at the bottom now.
Give it time, though, and I'm sure it will come back.
Haw! The funny thing is, I know you're lying, and you know you're lying. Tsk tsk.
The Muslim Student's Association of USC are infidels??
Too funny.
You tell me.
It's highly unenlightened to justify murder in a holy book.
People will ALWAYS defend themselves - there's no need to tell people they can defend themselves. Given there is no God one must wonder why Mohammad chose to say God was telling him it was OK to kill people. My guess is he wanted to get his people to kill some other people. Think about this, when they finally killed enough Arabs and took Mecca the first thing Mohammad did was demand that his followers destroy the Arab heritage and temples there. He refused to even set foot into the city until his sheeple vandalized the main temple there.
Muslims behead peace loving innocent Buddhist monks walking home in Thailand - happily quoting the Qur'an and screaming God is Great while slicing through their necks.
Even SAM thinks it's Godly and God inspired that Muslims attacked, raped, and looted people living in Persia.
People will ALWAYS defend themselves - there's no need to tell people they can defend themselves. Given there is no God one must wonder why Mohammad chose to say God was telling him it was OK to kill people. My guess is he wanted to get his people to kill some other people. Think about this, when they finally killed enough Arabs and took Mecca the first thing Mohammad did was demand that his followers destroy the Arab heritage and temples there. He refused to even set foot into the city until his sheeple vandalized the main temple there.
Muslims behead peace loving innocent Buddhist monks walking home in Thailand - happily quoting the Qur'an and screaming God is Great while slicing through their necks.
Even SAM thinks it's Godly and God inspired that Muslims attacked, raped, and looted people living in Persia.
SAM has defended Muslim aggressive war against Persia. Persian men (mostly peaceful farmers) were murdered as the Muslims needed to "defend" themselves and just what do you think happened to their wives and daughters? They were "protected" by being taken by their conquerors who then set up camps on the fringes of the cities and then set about trying to eradicate Persian culture and replace it with Arab culture. At this time Muslims attacked, raped and looted from the people living in Persia. That's war. Anyone who says war can be waged to the point of eradicating a culture, language and religion without people be terrified, murdered, beaten, raped, and looted - is a lier.
This is OK with God and therefor Godly, because Muslims were "defending" themselves from Persians and therefor had to conquer their lands and subjugate the people therein.
Interestingly, before they were Muslim they had coexisted for about 7000 years next to one another. But just as soon as the aggressive "defensive" wars against the polytheistic Arabs were won, suddenly aggressive "defensive" war needed to be waged against Persians, Romans, Syrians, Egyptians, ... etc.. etc.. one big coincidence coensiding with the advent of a militaristic religion.
Hello, SAM also thinks it's fine to tax people based on which religion they practice.
I wonder what she thinks of the Muslims in Miramar? Many convert out of Islam or face the prospect of being taxed so heavily they lose everything and, not being able to pay their tax, imprisoned and worked to death in slave camps. And this is from purported BUDDHISTS! Can you imagine what life must have been like for Zoroastrians! Muslims actually justfy their murder in Gods name.
Call a spade a spade for Christ's sake, we've been over this ground a million times. It's highly unenlightened to write God sanctioned justifications for murder in a superstitious holy book because guess what - anyone can justify ANY form of murder and this is exactly what they do.
The Taliban who tossed acid and melted some 9 year old face yesterday did so safe in the knowledge that the Qur'an justifies such violence.
In short, only an idiot or someone who is violent would say God thinks is good and holy to murder people.
This is OK with God and therefor Godly, because Muslims were "defending" themselves from Persians and therefor had to conquer their lands and subjugate the people therein.
Interestingly, before they were Muslim they had coexisted for about 7000 years next to one another. But just as soon as the aggressive "defensive" wars against the polytheistic Arabs were won, suddenly aggressive "defensive" war needed to be waged against Persians, Romans, Syrians, Egyptians, ... etc.. etc.. one big coincidence coensiding with the advent of a militaristic religion.
Hello, SAM also thinks it's fine to tax people based on which religion they practice.
I wonder what she thinks of the Muslims in Miramar? Many convert out of Islam or face the prospect of being taxed so heavily they lose everything and, not being able to pay their tax, imprisoned and worked to death in slave camps. And this is from purported BUDDHISTS! Can you imagine what life must have been like for Zoroastrians! Muslims actually justfy their murder in Gods name.
Call a spade a spade for Christ's sake, we've been over this ground a million times. It's highly unenlightened to write God sanctioned justifications for murder in a superstitious holy book because guess what - anyone can justify ANY form of murder and this is exactly what they do.
The Taliban who tossed acid and melted some 9 year old face yesterday did so safe in the knowledge that the Qur'an justifies such violence.
In short, only an idiot or someone who is violent would say God thinks is good and holy to murder people.
I don't think we needed Mohammed to scribe an early attempt at the Geneva Convention. Not of this is startling. The rules of war haven't changed much and are basically the same for everybody.