Religions are created by the delusional.
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So people have looked, and found nothing?
And you just claim, "well of course he exists, he just doesn't want to be bothered at the moment"?
Again:
Repeat:
It is reasonable to take absence of proof as evidence towards non-occurrence.
Oli
and some people have looked and found somehting
the perceivable and the empirical (in the classic understanding of the word) are not identical (in other words the assertion that everything that is capable of being perceivable is within the grasp of the direct perception of anyone regardless of the state of consciousness is not a valid statement)
my question to you is what is the qualification for a person investigating the nature of god? (since, at least for the sake of argument, there are persons - and also quite a few crack pots too I will admit - that have attested to the perception of something of god's nature)
Yes exactly, the reason there's no evidence for God is because its IMPOSSIBLE to gather evidence of God....for instance science by DEFINITION cannot say there is anything supernatural or outside of nature...so its IMPOSSIBLE to gather scientific evidence of God....
Also any evidence gathered will be labeled as a "god of gaps" (it doesn't matter if we have no natural explanation, that just means that nature-did-it and that God could've never did it)
It's also impossible to gather evidence of something that doesn't exist.
Make your mind up. Is it possible to have evidence or not?
Okay. If you admit there is no evidence, and that is impossible to gather evidence why should I or anyone believe he exists?
Your analogy fails...the only way you can say something doesn't exist is because you have absolute evidence of absence....in the case where you can't gather evidence it's completely different....say for instance there's this high wall, and no one can get past it and see whats on the other side of the wall....you can't gather evidence of whats on the other side but it doesn't mean nothing's there nor that something is there....you can't really draw any conclusion, its just "unknown" based on the evidence...therefore the only logical thing to say is that its just "unknown" whether God really exists or not...not that God doesn't exist...
Just like with the many-worlds interpretation, although you can't gather evidence (for nor against it) at the present time it doesn't make it not true or false.....you just say its "unknown" whether its true or not.....so why do atheists take the leap of faith and say "God doesn't exist"?
Well it depends what you would consider to be evidence....there's lots of small corroborating evidence that God exists...but this evidence is not direct evidence of God, just evidence of design, consciousness, etc....thats ALL you can really gather....Oli said:
The same reason Stephen Hawkings can believe in the many-worlds intepretation without evidence (for nor against it).....Oli said:
The reason you can believe in something without evidence, that there's no way of gathering evidence of, is because something is true with or without evidence...so there are innumerable things that are already true with or without evidence.....so if you care more about the actual truth then you can believe....otherwise if you only care about what the current evidence shows (what appears to be true) then you won't believe nor care to believe...
Reread the argument from ignorance that YOU keep linking to.
You keep coming back to this "many worlds interpretation" I assume you mean multiverse as opposed to the "many worlds" explanation for photon interference. I will say this one more time: it is an interpretation. It is not widely held and is one idea among many.
Evidence of design? Do tell.
Stephen Hawking (no "s") believes it? Or just accepts that it's one possible way of looking at things?
For example?
If there's no evidence why should I believe? If there's no evidence how can I know it's true?
gekkosgirl
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In response to the comment about athiests being delusional -- there are many athiests who make their arguements based on science. Science is rational and proof-based. Religion is based on belief and interpretation, not fact. There are many people out there who have religious beliefs that are dangerous and deadly and very delusional. You may believe whatever you like and I respect each individual out there for their own beliefs as long as they don't try to shove down everyone else's throat. I can do without the holier than thou attitude
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I never said atheists were delusional. 
Yes, some religions are dangerous, deadly, and delusional. (Like radical Islamofascists.) Mine is not. I never try to shove anything down anyone's throat. They're either receptive and ready or they're not. I have used 'turn or burn' on a few on their deathbeds. They just wouldn't get it. They finally got it. It was worth it to push and possibly 'offend' them on their deathbeds. They're in Heaven now.
Had they died unsaved I would have grieved for days. Knowing they're in Heaven led to a celebration of their death instead of mourning. It was awesome.
And I never said I was holier than anyone.
Yes, some religions are dangerous, deadly, and delusional. (Like radical Islamofascists.) Mine is not. I never try to shove anything down anyone's throat. They're either receptive and ready or they're not. I have used 'turn or burn' on a few on their deathbeds. They just wouldn't get it. They finally got it. It was worth it to push and possibly 'offend' them on their deathbeds. They're in Heaven now.
Had they died unsaved I would have grieved for days. Knowing they're in Heaven led to a celebration of their death instead of mourning. It was awesome.
And I never said I was holier than anyone.
I never said atheists were delusional.
They're either receptive and ready or they're not. I have used 'turn or burn' on a few on their deathbeds. They just wouldn't get it. They finally got it. It was worth it to push and possibly 'offend' them on their deathbeds. They're in Heaven now.
Had they died unsaved I would have grieved for days. Knowing they're in Heaven led to a celebration of their death instead of mourning. It was awesome.
And I never said I was holier than anyone.
oh man, thats a classic
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I never said atheists were delusional.
Yes, some religions are dangerous, deadly, and delusional. (Like radical Islamofascists.) Mine is not. I never try to shove anything down anyone's throat. They're either receptive and ready or they're not. I have used 'turn or burn' on a few on their deathbeds. They just wouldn't get it. They finally got it. It was worth it to push and possibly 'offend' them on their deathbeds. They're in Heaven now.
Had they died unsaved I would have grieved for days. Knowing they're in Heaven led to a celebration of their death instead of mourning. It was awesome.
And I never said I was holier than anyone.
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M*W: I cannot believe you coerced and badgered those people on their deathbeds because of your delusional belief! You probably hastened their demise! Where were their relatives when you were enforcing your sanctimonious crap on fragile human beings? I'm appalled the nursing staff would let you get away with this bullshit! This was only for your own ego that you did this self-righteous infringement on their beings. If I wasn't an atheist, I'd wish there was a hell so you could burn in it.
It's kinda lame, anyway I doesn't really matter MW. Either way.
quote of the week.
I never said atheists were delusional.
Yes, some religions are dangerous, deadly, and delusional. (Like radical Islamofascists.) Mine is not. I never try to shove anything down anyone's throat. They're either receptive and ready or they're not. I have used 'turn or burn' on a few on their deathbeds. They just wouldn't get it. They finally got it. It was worth it to push and possibly 'offend' them on their deathbeds. They're in Heaven now.
Had they died unsaved I would have grieved for days. Knowing they're in Heaven led to a celebration of their death instead of mourning. It was awesome.
And I never said I was holier than anyone.
Christianity and the Bible are dangerous too. Did you know the Bible supports slavery, Sandy? You must love you some slaves, don't u Sandy ole' girl? How many slaves do you own, Sandy? The Bible says it's just fine.
GET SOME SLAVES EVERYBODY!!! THE BIBLE SUPPPORTS IT
Your Bible is among the most evil books the world has ever seen.
The south during the U.S civil war argued that owning slaves is acceptable as it was indeed approved of by the biblical God.
Were you "smoking weed" when you posted that?
Sandy, the Bible is obviously NOT the word of God, and if it is, what a wrong God it is!!!!
Sex slavery:
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment.
(Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)
Slavery allowed:
However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.
(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
Death for hitting Dad:
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death.
(Exodus 21:15 NAB)
Don´t pamper your slaves:
If a man pampers his servant from childhood, he will turn out to be stubborn. (Proverbs 29:21 NAB)
Beat your slaves:
By words no servant can be trained; for he understands what is said, but obeys not.
(Proverbs 29:19 NAB)
Beat your children:
Withhold not chastisement from a boy; if you beat him with a rod he will not die. Beat him with the rod, and you will save him from the nether world. (Proverbs 23:13-14 NAB)
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