Reality as God
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So to sum up: if reality is God, and reality is real, then God must be real.
If reality is God, then we can avoid all the baggage of the word God with all it's personification and presumption of a centralized intelligence and just call it reality.
Of course we could do that. Reality is One. The feeling of spirit is unmistakeable and glorious. It is ineffable and it is reality.
There is no spirit, there is only reality.
reality: the state or quality of being real.
spirit: the principle of conscious life; the vital principle in humans, animating the body or mediating between body and soul.
You only observe, experience, and perceive through your spiritual nature. It doesn't get any more real than that.
Both definitions from Dictionary.com.
jan.
Having a definition of a word in the dictionary doesn't make it real. Vitalism as a theory was abandoned in the 19th century by mainstream science.
Yazata
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The second premise is tautological and the conclusion looks like it's basically repeating the initial premise.
The initial premise seems doubtful to me. It seems to be suggesting that 'reality' (we can skip the problem of defining that word for the sake of argument) is somehow identical to and shares all the qualities associated with 'God' (same problem).
God is often imagined as some kind of cosmic 'person', with a psychology like our own, all-good, all-knowing, interested in us personally and solicitious of our eternal welfare. Simply assuming that reality itself (whatever that means) possesses those sort of attributes is an awfully big leap.
I suppose this kind of idea might be an article of somebody's pantheistic faith or something, but I see no convincing reason to join them in believing it.
I will present you with Gödel's ontological proof:
Definition 1: x is God-like if and only if x has as essential properties those and only those properties which are positive
Definition 2: A is an essence of x if and only if for every property B, x has B necessarily if and only if A entails B
Definition 3: x necessarily exists if and only if every essence of x is necessarily exemplified
Axiom 1: Any property entailed by—i.e., strictly implied by—a positive property is positive
Axiom 2: A property is positive if and only if its negation is not positive
Axiom 3: The property of being God-like is positive
Axiom 4: If a property is positive, then it is necessarily positive
Axiom 5: Necessary existence is a positive property
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%F6del%27s_ontological_proof
Reality is a positive property.
A positive property is one that "...if instantiated in a world W, is also instantiated by the corresponding individual in all worlds that contain W as a proper part."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physicalism
Therefore, God is real.
I only believe in the one and only.
Reality as God means that God is real. Reality.
Unsupported claim.
See previous comment.
True.
But trivial.
Therefore meaningless.
Oranges as god means god is real. But it doesn't do any good...
You are correct. That is why God is real.
And, like I said, meaningless.
I don't believe you have presented anything to refute my good man.
So you also consider your claim that "Reality as God means that God is real" is entirely meaningless?
If so why bother to say it?
Or are you simply continuing your long-standing tradition of posting inanities?
You are wrong. It is not an inanity.