Quotes to remember

[Write4U]

Duluth Superflex Ballroom Denim........

 

[Michael 345]

That seems to prove quite another proposition....

Example

Any representation of Nature is ALWAYS ANTHROPOMORPHIZED, right?

Wrong

universal truths

No such animal

Actually we can prove there are patterns. You want to argue against Universal Geometry?

Prove patterns??? OK go ahead

I Googled Universal Geometry and got at least 7 pages of spiritual guff

controlled hallucination

No such animal

Reality is reality, a shared hallucination is a shared hallucination

Sorry started this hours ago but got distracted

Guess will agree to dis agree about quasi intelliegent

 

[Write4U]

deleted....

Response moved to "Consciousness" thread in Pseudoscience.

 

[Write4U]

Prove patterns??? OK go ahead

Patterns in Nature

Patterns in nature are visible regular forms found in the natural world. The patterns can sometimes be modeled mathematically and they include symmetries, trees, spirals, meanders, waves, foams, tessellations, cracks and stripes.

Mathematics, physics and chemistry can explain patterns in nature at different levels. Patterns in living things express the underlying biological processes. Studies of pattern formation make use of computer models to simulate a wide range of patterns. ........more

https://ecstep.com/natural-patterns/#

 

[Michael 345]

Patterns in Nature

https://ecstep.com/natural-patterns/#

Like I said

Us Minions define WHAT a PATTERN is and then find patterns in nature

Suprise suprise

 

[Write4U]

Like I said

Us Minions define WHAT a PATTERN is and then find patterns in nature

Suprise suprise

You are anthropomorphizing....... patterns exist independent of human observation..... they're called potentials.
Potentials exist independent of observation.....but by their dynamical relational values..... physics.

But Humans looked around and saw regularities, patterns, and gave them names; "night/day", "seasons", time.....14.5 billions years after the patterns started to physically emerge from chaos in various densities and relational values.

Human Physics = The symbolic representationof inherent universal Dynamical Patterns of various values and densities .
The Patterns came first,...... humans are an evolved collection of prior complex patterns of various densities and values, and evolved "functionality" (homeostasis).

How much water does the human body have?
On average, the body of an adult human being is 60% water, most of which is contained in the cells, which need water to live.

Welcome to homeostasis. Pretty neat pattern, no?

The Fibonacci sequence, named after the mathematician's model of the universality of the Golden Ratio and it's various natural potentials and practical functionalities in dynamical physics and one of the patterns by which reality unfolds relative to, but independent from the POV of the observer.

 

[Write4U]

From the site I linked; Natural patterns (patterns in nature)

From the point of view of physics, spirals are lowest-energy configurations which emerge spontaneously through self-organizing processes in dynamic systems. From the point of view of chemistry, a spiral can be generated by a reaction-diffusion process, involving both activation and inhibition.

In biology, natural selection can cause the development of patterns in living things for several reasons, including camouflage, sexual selection, and different kinds of signalling, including mimicry and cleaning symbiosis. In plants, the shapes, colors, and patterns of insect-pollinated flowers like the lily have evolved to attract insects such as bees. Radial patterns of colors and stripes, some visible only in ultraviolet light serve as nectar guides that can be seen at a distance.

TYPES OF PATTERN
Symmetry

Symmetry is pervasive in living things. Animals mainly have bilateral or mirror symmetry, as do the leaves of plants and some flowers such as orchids. Animals that move in one direction necessarily have upper and lower sides, head and tail ends, and therefore a left and a right. The head becomes specialized with a mouth and sense organs (cephalization), and the body becomes bilaterally symmetric (though internal organs need not be).

Plants often
have radial or rotational symmetry, as do many flowers and some groups of animals such as sea anemones.....more

https://ecstep.com/natural-patterns/#

 

[Michael 345]

You are anthropomorphizing....... patterns exist independent of human observation.....

Noooooo anthropomorphising

PATTEN is a LABEL

Anthropomorphising is NOT labelling. Anthropomorphising is giving a non human stuff a human characteristic

patterns exist independent

Stuff exist in a form confirming to physics

Only becomes a pattern when MINIONS decide to put the label pattern to the stuff

The stuff exist ✓ the form of the stuff exist ✓ conforms to physics ✓

Is it LABELLED X

 

[Write4U]

PATTEN is a LABEL

The word PATTERN is a LABEL. The thing it describes is a recurring regularity of some kind. Regularities are natural self-forming evolutionary organizations of beneficial (efficient) properties.

What are the 5 patterns in nature?
Natural patterns include symmetries, trees, spirals, meanders, waves, foams, tessellations, cracks and stripes.
Early Greek philosophers studied pattern, with Plato, Pythagoras and Empedocles attempting to explain order in nature.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterns_in_nature

Michael said; Only becomes a pattern when MINIONS decide to put the label pattern to the stuff

Note; a pattern is not necessarily stuff. It is a recurring self-organization of stuff or measurable behavior, although most stuff of a kind has very similar organizational patterns.
(The Table of elements is a perfect example of atoms self-arranging into distinct patterns, each with specific potentials.)

What is a spiral pattern?
A spiral is a curved pattern that focuses on a center point and a series of circular shapes that revolve around it. ... A spiral shape causes plants to condense themselves and not take up as much space, causing it to be stronger and more durable against the elements.

The natural formation of the Fibonacci sequence in nature was just a matter of time. All patterns have measurable mathematical properties.

MATH PATTERNS IN NATURE

Have you ever thought about how nature likes to arrange itself in patterns in order to act efficiently?

Nothing in nature happens without a reason, all of these patterns have an important reason to exist and they also happen to be beautiful to watch. Check out examples of some of these patterns and you may be able to spot a few the next time you go for a walk......more

https://www.fi.edu/math-patterns-nature

hexagonal pattern

The hexagonal pattern of beehives is a well documented phenomenon and many pictures can be found on-line. One interesting question would be why the cells in the honeycomb are not circular as a circle has a better ratio, for the same perimeter, of perimeter to area than a hexagon.

Beehives have a tremendous simplicity
as they are constructed entirely of small, equally sized walls. In order to as useful as possible for the hive, the goal should be to create the largest possible volume using the least amount of materials.

In other words, the ratio of the volume of each cell to its surface area needs to be maximized. This then reduces to maximizing the ratio of the surface area of the cell shape to its perimeter. The hexagonal pattern of beehives is a well documented phenomenon and many pictures can be found on-line

https://tasks.illustrativemathematics.org/content-standards/HSG/MG/A/1/tasks/1126#

 

[Michael 345]

The word PATTERN is a LABEL. The thing it describes is a recurring regularity of some kind. Regularities are natural self-forming evolutionary organizations of beneficial (efficient) properties. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patterns_in_nature

Note; a pattern is not necessarily stuff. It is a recurring self-organization of stuff or measurable behavior, although most stuff of a kind has very similar organizational patterns.
(The Table of elements is a perfect example of atoms self-arranging into distinct patterns, each with specific potentials.)
The natural formation of the Fibonacci sequence in nature was just a matter of time. All patterns have measurable mathematical properties.

MATH PATTERNS IN NATURE https://www.fi.edu/math-patterns-nature

hexagonal pattern
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https://tasks.illustrativemathematics.org/content-standards/HSG/MG/A/1/tasks/1126#

Blah blah blah

Have you ever thought about how nature likes to arrange itself in patterns in order to act efficiently?

YES

PHYSICS

 

[Write4U]

Have you ever thought about how nature likes to arrange itself in patterns in order to act efficiently?
YES

Good, we agree about patterns then.

PHYSICS

The only difference we have is that you insist on calling it by its generic name Physics, whereas I identify the functions which produce the physics.

Question: Is Time physics? Or is a pattern?

 

[Michael 345]

Question: Is Time physics? Or is a pattern?

You should be aware by now from other post, my view on TIME IS THAT - IT DOES NOT EXIST

 

[Michael 345]

Have you ever thought about how nature likes to arrange itself in patterns in order to act efficiently?

YES

Good, we agree about patterns then.

Noooooo

Have you ever thought about how nature likes to arrange itself in patterns in order to act efficiently?

My answer

YES

The how is PHYSICS

insist

I don't insist I just call it (physics) for what it is

whereas I identify the functions which produce the physics.

Why?

And I would have thought it would be the other way around

The size - shape - colour - charge - and what ever else PROPERTY any particular (PHYSICAL STUFF) ie detectectible stuff has determines its function

 

[Magical Realist]

"The world is made of patterns. The rings of a tree. The raindrops on the dusty ground. The path the sun follows from morning to dusk.”
― Kathi Appelt, The Underneath

 

[Write4U]

Have you ever thought about how nature likes to arrange itself in patterns in order to act efficiently?

You admit that nature creates patterns? We agree. How is secondary, You say physics creates patterns, I find that a wholly unsatisfactory symbolic substitute. It is the regularity, not the physics that create patterns, recurring mathematical regularities in nature create patterns.

But we agree on the natural self-organization of patterns, without the need for invoking additional symbolic human terms, no?

The size - shape - colour - charge - and what ever else PROPERTY any particular (PHYSICAL STUFF) ie detectectible stuff has determines its function

No, you are missing the comprehensive definitions of "patterns". A regularity needs not be physical. You are throwing specific symbolic definitions into one great soup bowl of "physics". That is a meaningless term in context of regularity.
Much better would be; "ie detectectible stuff determines its mathematical function"

My mantra; Patterns are a result of regularities in relational values and their associated regular mathematical functions.

What is called pattern?
A pattern is a regularity in the world, in human-made design, or in abstract ideas. As such, the elements of a pattern repeat in a predictable manner. A geometric pattern is a kind of pattern formed of geometric shapes and typically repeated like a wallpaper design. Any of the senses may directly observe patterns.

2. give a regular or intelligible form to.
"the brain not only receives information, but interprets and patterns it"

Similar: shape, influence, form, model, fashion, mold, style, affect, determine, direct, control, guide, lead

You want to translate the verb "patterning" (and its derivatives) into the verb "physicking"?..........



These patterns are a result of physicking?

 

[Magical Realist]

“Conversation. What is it? A Mystery! It's the art of never seeming bored, of touching everything with interest, of pleasing with trifles, of being fascinating with nothing at all.”
― Guy de Maupassant

 

[Write4U]

Only becomes a pattern when MINIONS decide to put the label pattern to the stuff

Yes and the definitions of "patterns" in dictionaries are a product of minions deciding to put the label pattern to any expression of regularities, both concrete or abstract. It is you who is altering the standard minion interpretations...

 

[Write4U]

"The world is made of patterns. The rings of a tree. The raindrops on the dusty ground. The path the sun follows from morning to dusk.”
― Kathi Appelt, The Underneath

PHYSICKING!..?

 

[Michael 345]

These patterns are a result of physicking?

They look Minion made, not made by physics

You admit that nature creates patterns?

The way physics puts small bits of stuff together and then puts larger bits of stuff together gives stuff a FORM. MINIONS label some stuff as patterned, other forms as chaotic, other forms as irregular

Can't really call physics nature

Getting bored with pattens. Move on

Going to have breakfast and nice company to enjoy with

 

[Write4U]

W4U said; ↑
These patterns are a result of physicking?

They look Minion made, not made by physics

How about these:

A fractal is a pattern that the laws of nature repeat at different scales. Examples are everywhere in the forest.

Trees are natural fractals, patterns that repeat smaller and smaller copies of themselves to create the biodiversity of a forest.

Each tree branch, from the trunk to the tips, is a copy of the one that came before it.

This is a basic principle that we see over and over again in the fractal structure of organic life forms throughout the natural world.

Where To Observe Fractals In Nature:

I know minions prepare these patterns for supper, but I don't believe that minions created these growth patterns., don't you agree?

It is clear that these patterns are a result of natural (not minion) selection for growth efficiency and energy distribution. To call this physics is anthropomorphizing and missing the definition of "regularly occurring self-organizing patterns in nature".

I think you get the point........