I was thinking meritocracy.
Prophet Mohammed Consummated 9-year old "Wife"
- Thread starter Woody
- Start date
What next Michaelangelo wasn't homosexual either?
Gay people kept their sex life secret back then for fear of their life.
Think about the Middle East, jam packed with gay guys but everyone keeps it secret.
Michael
Well you can think whatever you want but people of notoriety do not have private lives. You say some gay people keep it secret but that is because no one is looking into it or cares to. Believe me if Leonardo had male lovers one of them would have talked so since that has never happened and this is a new theory i cannot just take your word for it. And you also think that so many artists are gay but many are and many are not. Sexual preference has no bearing on artistic ability and Leonardo was no ordinary artist.
the broader the "demo" in democracy, the lower the common denominator
this is only the case because we don't stress the importance of education. Lets not forget the same argument was made about the unnatural state of the USA and the necessity of an aristocratic trained class. Hogwash!
anyway, I'd rather take my chances in a democracy than in a autocracy - wouldn't you agree?
What is your idea of polygamy and female equality? Do you think it has an effect or doesn't? If so a positive or negative one?
Oh, and about Mohammad marrying Aisha as a familiar alliance with his buddy. I think this is ANOTHER POOR EXAMPLE TO SET. It treats women as a commodity to be passed between men for their benefit. I'd say as an apologist that argument doesn't float.
anyway, I'd rather take my chances in a democracy than in a autocracy - wouldn't you agree?
What is your idea of polygamy and female equality? Do you think it has an effect or doesn't? If so a positive or negative one?
Oh, and about Mohammad marrying Aisha as a familiar alliance with his buddy. I think this is ANOTHER POOR EXAMPLE TO SET. It treats women as a commodity to be passed between men for their benefit. I'd say as an apologist that argument doesn't float.
depends who's in the "demo" and who's in the "auto".
not sure what you mean by effect (effect on who/what?). Then maybe I could venture into the pro's and cons
I wonder what the result would have been if Ali had not won.
Also, since Ali won that war, at what point and how did the Sunni-Shia split happen?
edit: of course, the Battle of Karbala
SAM
The source of this quote in your post would be helpful :
"Ali was forced to seek a compromise with Mu'awiya, but this so shocked some of his die-hard supporters who regarded it as a betrayal that he was struck down by one of his own men in 661."
The same people who refused to fight Muawiya's men because of his trick - sticking quran pages on spears - and forced Ali to make compromise accuse Ali for the compromise. They (Khwarij) followed radical islam akin to current day salafi/wahabi style and declared both Ali and Muawiya enemies. They are anything but not certainly friends of Ali. It was Ali who had the guts to put down Khwarij uprising for that he paid his life while praying alone in mosque.
Sunni are somewhat skeptical about Ali for he is the subject of praise by somewhat emotional shias. This is not Ali's mistake. Of all the caliphs and companions Ali was more polite and righteous stand apart on his own merit than supprot of shia of Ali.
The source of this quote in your post would be helpful :
"Ali was forced to seek a compromise with Mu'awiya, but this so shocked some of his die-hard supporters who regarded it as a betrayal that he was struck down by one of his own men in 661."
The same people who refused to fight Muawiya's men because of his trick - sticking quran pages on spears - and forced Ali to make compromise accuse Ali for the compromise. They (Khwarij) followed radical islam akin to current day salafi/wahabi style and declared both Ali and Muawiya enemies. They are anything but not certainly friends of Ali. It was Ali who had the guts to put down Khwarij uprising for that he paid his life while praying alone in mosque.
Sunni are somewhat skeptical about Ali for he is the subject of praise by somewhat emotional shias. This is not Ali's mistake. Of all the caliphs and companions Ali was more polite and righteous stand apart on his own merit than supprot of shia of Ali.
Its from wikipedia. All I know is that Ali thought he had a right to the Caliphate only because he was related to the prophet. Rather arrogant of him, in my opinion, especially when he was willing to go to war to defend this "right".
I don't have any emotional position on Ali, I just think he should not have wrought The First Fitna.
I don't have any emotional position on Ali, I just think he should not have wrought The First Fitna.
From what I remember from the history Ali, read from a sunni site years back, i will find out the site, Ali was least interested in power or right to rule. When Mohammed died, the same day Abu Bakr, with help of Umar, was declared Caliph. Grief striken Ali and Fatima were beside the body of Md at that time.
Muwaviya's father, Abu Sufian - a very powerful qureshi chief, who had been the arch enemy of Md and Ali once, lent his support for Ali, but Ali refused.
Ali could have easily overcome his oppositions with his legendary bravery and friends had he opted to do so.
*************
M*W: I was headed in the direction of believing that Jesus and MM were married and had children, but after reading a substantial number of books on the subject, I believe neither Jesus nor MM existed and they are represented by myth or metaphor. Continuing my research into this subject, I have come to the conclusion that Jesus represents the sun and MM represents Virgo. All religions are man made from the legends ancient humans created about the night skies.
*************
M*W: Moses (perhaps yet another myth or metaphor, may not have existed at all. However, it is clear he had at least three wives: Nefertiti, Zipporah and his own daughter Merytaten whose mother was Nefertiti. Incestuous marriages were not uncommon.
Abraham was another one. He was married to his half-sister Sarah, he took care of Hagar and Ishmael throughout his entire life and she was considered a legitimate wife (or concubine, which in those days was a legitimate heir), and he remarried another woman after Sarah's death.
If you wish, I can give you citations, but most of the information I have was taken from:
Ahmed Osman, Moses and Akhenaten, 2002.
*************
M*W: True, but unfortunately that has been the history of the female slave.
Well she's back telling everyone who existed and who didnt, because she read a few books as if no one else has. From someone who supposedly was a fundamentalist Christian die hard Catholic to now being supposedly fundamentalist Atheist. If you ask me your just very impressionable, dont read any books on cults MW because your a prime candidate for joining one.
"Well Jesus didnt exist and MM didnt exist and this one was really the moon but Moses may have existed but i have a feeling he was really Mars" LMFAO...
Tell us more prophet MW.
"Well Jesus didnt exist and MM didnt exist and this one was really the moon but Moses may have existed but i have a feeling he was really Mars" LMFAO...
Tell us more prophet MW.
Last edited:
From the Ross Institute's web-site on cult studies:
Polygamy Hurts in the Pocket
Monagamous marriages are preferred in better educated cultures.
The study makes pretty good sense to me.
It looks like you find a lot of polygamy down in the poverty zone.
Last edited:
That doesn't mean it's bad, it's more suited to certain cultures, like I said.
Pandaemoni
Valued Senior Member
Yes and Mary, mother of Jesus, was probably about 11 or 12 when God impregnated her. It was a different time.
Polygamy is best suited for poor-uneducated primitive-cultures and polygamous marriage helps them stay in that condition. The Hebrews University study showed that.
Just take a look at polygamy in america and you'll see the same thing. It's a social failure, and a home for the dead-beat father>
This information came from the Salt Lake Tribune regarding the social failures associated with polygamy:
Polygamy is a baby farm where old men that can't control their Y chromosome take multiple teenage brides and get them pregnant. Then they leave the tab at the Welfare Department.
It seems like a supposedly educated community like Sciforums could grasp this simple concept and get a handle on the data. :shrug:
Last edited:
The idea that Polygamy causes poverty might fit the data, but correlation doesn't always indicate causation. They could have invented Polygamy because they were poor, and a family could pool their resources in larger groups. Women get along with each other better than men, so having multiple men in a family group would be problematic, and they are also mothers. Mothers are inherently better at childcare, they can nurse. You would have to discount other reasonable explanations before we could accept your premise.
Additionally, you are dealing with people, not physical laws, what could work for one people might not work for others. People live in all sorts of conditions, different social, political, economic, environmental, genetic conditions. It would be very difficult to make a definitive statement about a strategy of social organization. That's like proving Democrats are better than Republicans.
Additionally, you are dealing with people, not physical laws, what could work for one people might not work for others. People live in all sorts of conditions, different social, political, economic, environmental, genetic conditions. It would be very difficult to make a definitive statement about a strategy of social organization. That's like proving Democrats are better than Republicans.
Well from what i have seen, women need to be trained or conditioned to adapt to their husband having a few wives. B the same token we dont see Wolygamy, which is the practice of women having many husbands so right there that is just sign of male domination. which who knows what is what anymore.
SG, say what you want, but the data says polygamy is a socio-economic failure in america. It serves no useful purpose here, except to sign up more teen-mothers on welfare. In america, it's a ticket to the ghetto. Just look at the data.
Last edited: