Proof that the Christian god cannot exist

how about dieing?
Apart from the fact that you managed to also spell that incorrectly it's not a valid comparison because the word "die" doesn't end in a voiced consonant.
But congratulations on extending the display of your ignorance. :rolleyes:
 
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Originally Posted by qwerty mob
Believing in something that exists is a choice.
Believing in something that doesn't exist is a delusion.


Well put, M*W

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This is actually the single worst set of epistemological maxims I have ever read.

http://www.stephenjaygould.org/ctrl/popper_falsification.html

The above link, which you will not read, explains how believing in something that doesn't exist is a precondition for science. This is how progress works, folks.
You perhaps read much too much into that, between her and I.

Thanks for the link regarding falsification. It wasn't working for me, however, if it does in the future then Readers who are not familiar with how the Scientific Method works will surely benefit from it.

Cheers


I cant agree with that for the simple fact that believing in something that exists is not a choice. If you dont believe in something that exists that is delusional or maybe just denial.

You don't have to agree with it, and you don't have to think about it! Who knows, maybe you will...


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Broadly (no pun intended), I took her meaning to be that- 'rational and irrational beliefs (about gods) are contingent upon evidence for their existence' and you're all free to interpret it differently; and have.

This is the Religion forum and we are discussing imaginary beings (like the deities of monotheistic religions, and xtianity in particular); not the scientific falsification of an objective phenomenon; not a philosophical treatise on epistemology; and not the penultimate rhetorical meaning of terms like "believe" or "exist" to any grand audience of Mankind's future history.

Believing in something that exists (for which there is evidence) is a choice (for there is something objective to consider).
[eg- love, hate, mercy, malice]
Believing in something that doesn't exist (for which there is either insufficient evidence or contrary evidence) is a delusion.
[eg- square circles, mythological beings, other people's Gods]

Toned down a great deal, and very sorry if my comments to M*W do not appeal to any other particular reader(s).


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Originally Posted by baumgarten
Science consists of falsifiable theories which interpret verifiable facts.

A hypothesis predicting that a phenomenon will be demonstrated with certain properties and called (for convenience) God may be disproven or falsified.

By contrast, the fact of God's existence can only be proven by observation
HUH?
What does empiricism operate by if not sense perception?

Empiricism is not only sensory perception, but experiential knowledge; it is how we differentiate between appearances and reality; illusion and actuality.

Contextually, when we say that a phenomenon is 'empirical' (scientifically) we mean that there is something objective to study, and it can be characterized and compared or contrasted to previous observations or experimental knowledge.

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I am not persuaded by any of the arguments that gods can be evaluated scientifically, because there is very little that is objective or even coherent. The very definition of "God" which is the most consistent and survives the strongest tests of empiricism and rhetoric, and even the "problem of other monotheisms" is-

"All Gods are imaginary, mythological beings"


Greetings
 
Empiricism is not only sensory perception, but experiential knowledge; it is how we differentiate between appearances and reality; illusion and actuality.
experience of what?
sense perception, yes?

Contextually, when we say that a phenomenon is 'empirical' (scientifically) we mean that there is something objective to study, and it can be characterized and compared or contrasted to previous observations or experimental knowledge.
but if the language of observations is done purely in terms of sense perception (and not, say, for example, the state of the seer) then all you are doing is placing sense perception on the platform of objectivity (which is a position fraught with many problems - you might have noticed that the link you provided only had one - and questionable at that - usage of the word "objective")

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I am not persuaded by any of the arguments that gods can be evaluated scientifically, because there is very little that is objective or even coherent. The very definition of "God" which is the most consistent and survives the strongest tests of empiricism and rhetoric, and even the "problem of other monotheisms" is-

"All Gods are imaginary, mythological beings"


Greetings
the irony is that there is no empirical evidence for your conclusion
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experience of what?
sense perception, yes?
Primer on Epistemology: Specific Theories of Knowledge Acquisition

but if the language of observations is done purely in terms of sense perception (and not, say, for example, the state of the seer) then all you are doing is placing sense perception on the platform of objectivity (which is a position fraught with many problems - you might have noticed that the link you provided only had one - and questionable at that - usage of the word "objective")

Empirical Research is that which derives data by means of direct observation or experiment, and since beliefs influence observations there must be checks to those beliefs, in order to reduce bias and/or strengthen a theory. (1)(2)

Your take on Philosophical Empiricism is overstated, considering that there are other theories of knowledge; and your understanding of Scientific Empiricism has yet to be demonstrated.

the irony is that there is no empirical evidence for your conclusion
Nor need there be, since the analytic infers non-actuality. QED

What empirical evidence can one expect to evaluate for imaginary things or mythological entities?

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"When you understand why you reject all other Gods but one, you'll understand why others dismiss yours."
 
if you want to call on empiricism as sufficient to distinguish reality from illusion, it might pay to inspect more closely the links you provide ....


Empirical Research is that which derives data by means of direct observation or experiment, and since beliefs influence observations there must be checks to those beliefs, in order to reduce bias and/or strengthen a theory. (1)(2)
so if one believes that all phenomena are materially reducible (and hence accessible to empiricism) then obviously they wouldn't have the tools to find out otherwise
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Your take on Philosophical Empiricism is overstated, considering that there are other theories of knowledge; and your understanding of Scientific Empiricism has yet to be demonstrated.
considering that there are other theories of knowledge, its not clear why you insist that empiricism is thhe only one capable of distinguishing reality from illusion (a claim that is very easily refuted btw)

Nor need there be, since the analytic infers non-actuality. QED

What empirical evidence can one expect to evaluate for imaginary things or mythological entities?
Or to put it another way, what can one expect to gain from bringing methodologies to a point of inquiry that stands outside of it, except the label of "myth" etc .....


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"When you understand why you reject all other Gods but one, you'll understand why others dismiss yours."
Kind of like the claim that there's not much difference between a pregnant woman and a virgin, since its only a case of one sexual encounter versus the dismissal of all of them.
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