Tiassa I think you were talking to me and not
Caleb?
I offer you this passage to counter
emeralds theory about Jesus being the Devil. This is actually Jesus' own words.
Mark 3
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Another time he went into the synagogue, and a man with a shriveled hand was there.
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Some of them were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal him on the Sabbath.
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Jesus said to the man with the shriveled hand, "Stand up in front of everyone."
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Then Jesus asked them, "Which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to kill?" But they remained silent.
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He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored.
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Then the Pharisees went out and began to plot with the Herodians how they might kill Jesus.
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Jesus withdrew with his disciples to the lake, and a large crowd from Galilee followed.
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When they heard all he was doing, many people came to him from Judea, Jerusalem, Idumea, and the regions across the Jordan and around Tyre and Sidon.
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Because of the crowd he told his disciples to have a small boat ready for him, to keep the people from crowding him.
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For he had healed many, so that those with diseases were pushing forward to touch him.
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Whenever the evil spirits saw him, they fell down before him and cried out, "You are the Son of God."
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But he gave them strict orders not to tell who he was.
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Jesus went up on a mountainside and called to him those he wanted, and they came to him.
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He appointed twelve--designating them apostles--that they might be with him and that he might send them out to preach
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and to have authority to drive out demons.
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These are the twelve he appointed: Simon (to whom he gave the name Peter);
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James son of Zebedee and his brother John (to them he gave the name Boanerges, which means Sons of Thunder);
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Andrew, Philip, Bartholomew, Matthew, Thomas, James son of Alphaeus, Thaddaeus, Simon the Zealot
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and Judas Iscariot, who betrayed him.
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Then Jesus entered a house, and again a crowd gathered, so that he and his disciples were not even able to eat.
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When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind."
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And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, "He is possessed by Beelzebub! By the prince of demons he is driving out demons."
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So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan?
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If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand.
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If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
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And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come.
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In fact, no one can enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man. Then he can rob his house.
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I tell you the truth, all the sins and blasphemies of men will be forgiven them.
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But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; he is guilty of an eternal sin."
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He said this because they were saying, "He has an evil spirit."
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Then Jesus' mother and brothers arrived. Standing outside, they sent someone in to call him.
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A crowd was sitting around him, and they told him, "Your mother and brothers are outside looking for you."
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"Who are my mother and my brothers?" he asked.
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Then he looked at those seated in a circle around him and said, "Here are my mother and my brothers!
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Whoever does God's will is my brother and sister and mother."
: Are we, humanity, the most important of God's creations in all the Universe?
I would have to say in this universe yes. But are we the most important of all of Gods' creations. I couldn't tell you. Because I don't know.
Are we the whole reason the Universe was created
I couldn't say a definite yes, but we would be a huge part of it, if not the whole reason. But I could not forget the mammals, the birds, the fish of the sea. Plants and trees. These are all important to. They were probably created for God's as well as our enjoyment.
The notion seems outright silly to me, but there is no religion in the world whose creationary tale tells the story of another tribe being more important. As we view, say, the Judeo-Christian origins: Genesis makes a focus of God's creation, and the Bible traces the evolution of that idea to the Hebrews, and then to the Christian usurpation, which religion then attempted to conquer the world. But as it encountered pagan cultures, none of their tales of origin said that God created man for the Jews and then the Christians as such. Otherwise, they would submit on the day the Christians arrived according to their own religion, and not in superstition and fear.
I have to be honest and say I don't really understand what you are getting at here. But I will try and answer from my own understanding.
I'm not sure if you could call the first people Jewish because they were not under the covenent that we know of that God gave to Moses. But I think I can help you on this next quote.
As we view, say, the Judeo-Christian origins: Genesis makes a focus of God's creation, and the Bible traces the evolution of that idea to the Hebrews, and then to the Christian usurpation, which religion then attempted to conquer the world. But as it encountered pagan cultures, none of their tales of origin said that God created man for the Jews and then the Christians as such. Otherwise, they would submit on the day the Christians arrived according to their own religion, and not in superstition and fear.
I go by the assumption here that all men(as in mankind) were created for God and not Jews. So in saying that if someone were created for something that they would like it holds true and false. Some will be obedient and listen. Others will choose to follow their own path. Am I fair in saying this? Though, and you may not agree with me thats fine, we all have a body and a spirit, our spirit does long to be close to and be with our God. However, our current body(flesh) desires what is against Gods will, which is sin, the selfish desires of this world. So here we have a conflict between the flesh and the spirit.
So it is if God. Though we are created for Him, it does not neccessarily mean that we won't be against Him.
but also must, to accommodate the corruption of the Universe, establish the universal medium by which that corruption occurred. How, did the corruption spread from the point of its origin?
I believe that the "universal medium" that made the corruption of the universe is sin. This is how Judiasm and Christianity hold why the universe is in the state it is. But please remember that even Satan(means deceiver) was once Lucifer(I think it means enlightened or something along those lines). This was Lucifer before he had sinned. The reason that most Christians hold he sinned was pride. we come to this conclusion because he considered equality with God. This was because God made him very beatiful. Before he sinned and was corrupted, he was held very highly by God.
I think that Christianity is the only religion that says God suffers also. Though He is perfect, He suffers because of how lost many of us are, this is how much He cares about us, that He even be sad for our sake. He finds no pleasure in making people perish.
2Peter 3:9
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But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day
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The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.
But, I'm happy to keep your debate standards in the back of my mind; it's only fair.
I'm all to happy to discuss things with people who want to discuss.
