Proof of Heaven
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DaveC426913
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No. Why?
DaveC426913
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Well, the thread's really about proof, as opposed to faith. The OP made a pretty bold claim, then welshed.
Doesn't mean he's god. Even if it were true.
Well, that's hardly proof. Dozens of people have risen from the dead over the past few decades, people who have been without heartbeats for hours (and apparently dead for days.)
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Until early in the 20th century, most scientists believed in a deterministic universe. They believed that, in principle, if you knew the position & velocity of every particle in the universe, you could predict the future in detail & also determine the past at a detailed level.
Modern Quantum Theory dispelled that notion due to known random processes. Radioactive decay being the mostly commonly known such process.
The above indicates that you do not know or understand much about quantum theory.
Until early in the 20th century, most scientists believed in a deterministic universe. They believed that, in principle, if you knew the position & velocity of every particle in the universe, you could predict the future in detail & also determine the past at a detailed level.
Modern Quantum Theory dispelled that notion due to known random processes. Radioactive decay being the mostly commonly known such process.
I died once for over 3 minutes and did NOT see any bright lights, hear voices or anything else. I only went to sleep and that was what it was like when I died. Thankfully I was in a hospital already and they took me to the ER where I was revived. So there's no heaven/hell.
Someone who believes in God finds that there could be evidence to support their beliefs, but that ''evidence'' might not be enough for people who don't believe. It will always be this way when it comes to faith, and it would be great if people of faith would be okay with that. 
Someone who believes in God finds that there could be evidence to support their beliefs, but that ''evidence'' might not be enough for people who don't believe. It will always be this way when it comes to faith, and it would be great if people of faith would be okay with that.
Seems like it used to be more like that... but mayb sinse anybody wit a God belief can easily spread it on the internet -- has made such believers more vocal... an its spilled over into politics which gets lots of peoples attenton... cause now you cant just ignore peoples religous beliefs... cause if you do you'r liable to wake up havin to live you'r life accordin to someone elses religous beliefs... an nobody wants that.!!!
That's why religion steers faith in the wrong direction, just my point of view. It makes me wonder if some people's personal beliefs aren't ''enough'' for them, they need to get others to convert, and then they feel complete? I'm not sure.
DaveC426913
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Indeed. A lot of people feel like you. One's spirituality is deeply personal. It's the kind of thing to be shared once two-way trust is established. Kind of like one's sense of humor!That's why religion steers faith in the wrong direction, just my point of view. It makes me wonder if some people's personal beliefs aren't ''enough'' for them, they need to get others to convert, and then they feel complete? I'm not sure.
So do I
That's why religion steers faith in the wrong direction, just my point of view. It makes me wonder if some people's personal beliefs aren't ''enough'' for them, they need to get others to convert, and then they feel complete? I'm not sure.
People tend to need/enjoy receivin validation of ther personal-beliefs in one form or anuther... be it from a frind... Church or internet... etc... an of course its some peoples belief that they shoud convert others to ther beliefs... like Jehovia Witnesses.!!!
They come by here about once a year an leave little pamphlets stuck in my door... or try an preech to me if i open the door... an the next to last time they came by i didnt take ther litle papers... i politely told 'em i woudnt read 'em -- that i woud just throw 'em away so why not just give 'em to somebody that wanted 'em... an they seemed kinda confused but they left soon ther after... an about a year later they was back... an this time i had a pot of hot oil hangin above the front porch an i pulled strang an... j/k... haha... that was jus a happy thout
... i just told 'em i was atheist an i wasnt interested in ther beliefs an closed the door.!!!
Because some kinds of evidence are unreliable. Like seeing the Jesus on your toast.Someone who believes in God finds that there could be evidence to support their beliefs, but that ''evidence'' might not be enough for people who don't believe. It will always be this way when it comes to faith, and it would be great if people of faith would be okay with that.
kx000
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So do I
I created the wish to be when I was seven. I call it Gabby.
I'll agree there. LOL
You an Spider goat are bein very hurtful to those of us who believe that Jesus can manifest in such ways
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