Pornography

[Xev]

David Mayes:

What challenge...you're either neutral or pro-hardcore pornography and anyone who challenges YOU is written off as self-righteous, and this terminates rational debate.

No. I consider the relience on the more vivid and disgusting forms of pornography a sign of a decadent age that cannot feel. You consumerist whores have so divorced yourself from nature that you cannot even enjoy sexual depictions if they are natural and not perverse. Honest joy in the sexual act, reserved for a select few? You couldn't feel it, or honest anything for that matter. You chase swinish hedonism until your comfort is - uncomfortable.

I am not neutral or pro - but my "anti" is a matter of asthetics, not the sick need to moralize every judgement.

You, on the other hand, must moralize everything.

When faced with one who questions your methods and not your conclusions, you retreat and squeal. Why? Because your conclusions are arbitrary and your methods an accumulation of prejudices masquerading as rational principles.

Thinking and feeling co-define each other, but there's nothing arbitary about knowing that feces is biological waste,

I never argued otherwise. Pay attention.

and that the body expelled it as it was toxic, in fact, some cancer researchers believe in auto-intoxication via the toxic waste in the colon.

This is not the issue.

And you want to support or demand neutrality on eating feces and try and pass it off as a form of sex, LOL, it's by any definition a form of pathological behaviour.

*Laughs*
You pathetic fool, I never made such an argument. You cannot even justify your reasoning, so you lie about the arguments others used.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Quote:I consider the relience on the more vivid and disgusting forms of pornography a sign of a decadent age that cannot feel. You consumerist whores have so divorced yourself from nature that you cannot even enjoy sexual depictions if they are natural and not perverse.

Xev I couldn't agree with you more. Its almost as if people (some anyway) have become insensate through overstimulation or something (I am not quite sure what as yet) and need more and more exteme methods for achieving pleasure.

 

[Xev]

Lucysnow:
I am not sure if it is really over-stimulation. If anything, we lack stimulation - except mentally - and are sold fantasy, whether it be of sex or heroism or just plain personal worth in the machinery.

It's more that we're bombarded with stimuli - music, color, pattern, image - all used to sell something. We create a shell to withstand it, and it takes more and more to affect that shell.

 

[David Mayes]

XEV, you really have no method, except that which was fed to you via your philosophy hero's, you think that your "take no prisioners" debating tactics will impress people that you're some intellectual tough nut.

Being "anti", but not opposing is a vote for the current paradigm.

 

[Persol]

It is interesting to note that most threads have about 5 views for every post.
A thread titled 'pornography' has over 10 views per post.

 

[David Mayes]

Every thread on this page is near or greater than 10-1...it's attracting no more attention that other topics in terms of ratio's.

 

[Xev]

David:
Or perhaps I have too many methods, but who cares?
I have no heroes. I admire people like Sigrid Storrada, F.W Nietzsche and Giordano Bruno, but they simply remain dead people whom I like.
Nor do I have a "take no prisoners" approach, what a silly thing to say. Impress? From a man whose entire style is based on repeating other's words to them in an attempt to look smart? Ffft.

As for "anti" but not "opposing" - I think more in terms of structure and cause, not silly little campaigns like anti-pornography.
Anyone who thinks that the world can be improved by campaigning against blowjobs should be scalped.

 

[David Mayes]

Impress? From a man whose entire style is based on repeating other's words to them in an attempt to look smart? Ffft.

Oh I see, you want me to ignore the genius of Erich Fromm as it threatens
your psychological security?
I consider Fromm to have laid the framework for the objective determinations of categories of human nature and methods by which we can try and judge what is acceptable behaviour....or can't we criticize any actions in your mind?

As for "anti" but not "opposing" - I think more in terms of structure and cause, not silly little campaigns like anti-pornography.

I'm not anti porn dummy, I've said that 5 or more times.

Anyone who thinks that the world can be improved by campaigning against blowjobs should be scalped.

LOL, grow up bunny.

 

[Xev]

David:
Fromm? I haven't read anything by him, nor did I mention him.
Name-dropping only makes you look like a twit.

I'm not anti porn dummy, I've said that 5 or more times.

I don't recall having been called a "dummy" since grade school.
In any case, I didn't say you were.

LOL, grow up bunny

*Laughs*
First it's "cunt", now "bunny"
What a hypocrite you are. Here you are, the noble feminist warrior who hates to see women "degraded" - and you use language like that.

Good night, brave campaigner.

 

[David Mayes]

Fromm? I haven't read anything by him, nor did I mention him.
Name-dropping only makes you look like a twit.

Xev.

Well you should either get "Sane Society" or "Man for himself, an enquiry into the psychology of ethics"

Btw, unlike you, I don't pretend to not having been influenced by intertextuality.

I don't recall having been called a "dummy" since grade school.
In any case, I didn't say you were.

Make up your mind.....otherwise you'll be dumped into my prison.

What a hypocrite you are. Here you are, the noble feminist warrior who hates to see women "degraded" - and you use language like that.

Both sexes are being degraded, it's just that the focus is on the women.

Good night, brave campaigner.

Just expressing myself.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

My god man you are trying to introduce Xev to Fromm? She'll vomit after three pages then use the rest as kitty litter. An example of Fromm's Humanist Credo:

"I believe that there are two ways of arriving at the choice of the good. The first is that of duty and obedience to moral commands. This way can be effective, yet we must consider that in thousands of years only a minority have fulfilled even the requirements of the Ten Commandments. Many more have committed crimes when they were presented to them as commands by those in authority. The other way is to develop a taste for and a sense of well-being in doing what is good or right."

Xev has already stated that she rarely makes moral judgements but aesthetic ones; Why do you think she would be wooed by the sentimentality and the set moral obligations Fromm proposes? Sane Society is where Fromm makes an argument for "communitarian socialism", that should go over well

 

[David Mayes]

Xev has already stated that she rarely makes moral judgements but aesthetic ones;

Lucy.

Everyone makes moral judgements, asserting an abstinence amounts to a vote for the existing moral order, that is Xev's passive moral judgement.

Why do you think she would be wooed by the sentimentality and the set moral obligations Fromm proposes?

Please show me the exact set of moral obligations Fromm ascribed to?
Don't assume that I agree with everything Fromm says, I'm sure you have disagreements with some of your favourite authors

 

[WANDERER]

To dearprudence
Your 'guilt trip' was very feminine of you and very passive aggressive.
Soft souls as yours, who can't take a punch or a wound, should keep out of the forest. Truth, and the search for it, can become unpleasent.
Maybe you should fight more often so that your skin can get thincker and maybe you should accept suffering more as a means to get stronger.
The world punishes the weak and the sheltered even though it often isn't trying to or is indifferent to their pain.
But then suffering and pain can lead to self-destruction and obliteration but that's a risk one must take or reamin forever a prisoner of his/her own fears and insecurities.
No pain no gain, daaaarrrrling.

To all the rest
I loooooove doggystyle [very primitive] and any act that makes a woman, I repeat a woman, squeel, strokes my male ego and I find much pleasure in it. Other than that Chuck Berry and anyone else can eat shit, drink piss or fuck corpses for all I care.
I already know the quality of man why would empirical evidence proving it bother me?
I already know most of mankind is sick why would proof bother me?
Pedophiles, necrophiles, homos and all sexual deviants don't shock or disturb me anymore just like mass murderers, cannibals and retards don't affect me.
I'm actually surprised there aren't more of them openly so or exposed as such more often.

I think many people would be shocked to find what many out there think and what they fantasize about or what they do in their privasy.
Seemingly respectable, average, "normal" human beings hide deep distrurbing deviations.
It is good that telepathy and mind-reading is not possible otherwise we wouldn't be able to tolerate each other.

See what happens when we allow all to procreate and we protect everyone, even the unworthy, based only on the fact that they are human or alive?
Six billion people living like ants one on top of the other is not healthy. We better get off planet soon.
Next ship for Mars please!!!!

 

[David Mayes]

homos and all sexual deviants

Wanderer.

Is homosexuality abnormal, IOW, is it a result of a perverted culture?

 

[Xev]

David Mayes:

Everyone makes moral judgements, asserting an abstinence amounts to a vote for the existing moral order, that is Xev's passive moral judgement.

Oh god you are brainwashed.
A thing can be opposed without resorting to "but it's a bad evil thing!"
Arminius destroyed the Roman attempts to colonize Germania, he did this by his military prowess and not by sitting around whining that the Roman attempt was bad and evil.
Arminius was an honest man.
This is how my ancestors lived.
Sigrid Storrada had no need to fulminate against "Christianity" when she was organizing the fight against the Christian Olaf Haraaldson. She knew simply that the tyrant was trying to displace her old Gods.

Modern society has transformed everything into morality and ideology - in a word, packaging. It's gotten so bad that you cannot even comprehend that a judgement can be made independant of morality - and insist that it's simply a "immoral" or "complacent" judgement.
Everything is submission for you inglorious men of today. Your honor - obedience to a higher good. Your philanthropy - obedience to concepts of how things "ought to be".

Well you should either get "Sane Society" or "Man for himself, an enquiry into the psychology of ethics"

I'll keep it in mind.

Both sexes are being degraded, it's just that the focus is on the women.

So?
Modern society is sick and it makes sick.
It would not function if humans were healthy, and when they are unhealthy billions of dollars are raked in by the medical establishment. Win-win for everyone.
When you create something geared for the average male or female, the instincts of the average male or female will dominate.

The average male wants to degrade his partner, the average female finds this display of force exciting. Thus do their instincts perpetuate themselves in popular culture.

Do you doubt this, believe in the innate goodness of man? Look at the depictions of sex that you critique. Lucysnow mentioned Pauline Reage. Don't know who that is, so I looked. -> http://feastofhateandfear.com/archives/storyofO.html

Case in point - you think the average human is any less slavish and pathetic?
Don't you think the world would be different if they were?

We support the sick. Is it any wonder they predominate?

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Quote: It wouldn't function if healthy

Too true, there is definitely an invested interested in maintaining the decomposing mind but I don't think it much matters because it cannot sustain itself and most citizens cannot sustain themselves outside of this particular system. The momentum towards collapse is enormous, there is no way to counteract it or change its direction. Let them eat plastic or become distracted by Britney tid bits, everyone can wallow in what they like (and thats a good thing). David what would your solution be anyway? A show of disgust; no one would care. A systematic solution; Pol Pot tried and it led to death. A loving prodding towards enlightenment; Most would fight it.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

For the Wanderer:

What does that mean to you?
You take her from the back
We're so respectable

But I'm entitled
Entitled

Why can you not relax
When I'm behind you?
I don't make passes from the back
Is it something usual?

To be so entitled
Entitled

Marc E. Smith/The Fall

 

[Xev]

Lucysnow:
True, but who really cares? Society is sick, yet one who penetrated through to the heart of it could use that to their advantage. The only thing that annoys me is that I must live with it. I have to pay taxes so that the ill-bred are maintained at state expense, I'm constantly having to face the relentless vulgarity of it all, etc. If someone breaks into my house and tries to rape me, am I allowed to dispach him to the filthy cold of Niflheim? No, I have to use "reasonable force" and "reasonably believe myself to be in danger of harm". Everything is geared to favour the weak.

The Spartans had a custom called the crypteria in which the ritually slaughtered the helots when the helots became too numerous. Bears potential.

 

[WANDERER]

Wanderer.

Is homosexuality abnormal, IOW, is it a result of a perverted culture?

More the result of rampant procreation with no controlling predator to keep the herd healthy and efficient.
Homosexuality, is to say the least, an inefficient expenditure of energy and time. There’s no result and pleasure, geared to promote reproduction, is castrated to an act of entertainment.
Another example is eye problems.
In nature those with deficient eyesight would most likely perish because of it, but due to ‘modern’ systems and mans domination of nature the poor sighted persist and so pass on the gene of myopia or whatever the cause may be.

It’s telling how the act of male on male penetration, more a sign of domination than love in the wild, has come to represent an alternative expression of intimacy.
But I guess if you like having a cock shoved up your ass and you call it love, you aren’t the brightest of minds.


Lucynow

What does that mean to you?
You take her from the back
We're so respectable

But I'm entitled
Entitled

Why can you not relax
When I'm behind you?
I don't make passes from the back
Is it something usual?

To be so entitled
Entitled

Marc E. Smith/The Fall

Are you purposefully trying to get me hard or what?

A suggestion
I suggest that the next step in human equality should be to allow all expressions of sexual lust equal status in our society.
I mean, why just stop at gay rights.
Let gays marry and adopt children and let them have equal rights under the law but let us not forget the pedophiles, the beast lovers, the carcass admirers, the masochists, the faeces tasters and the golden shower enjoyers.
How dare we discriminate in this manner?
After all isn’t it by how a culture treats its minorities that determines its openness and value?

What sort of extreme ageism makes us disrespect the will of the adolescent or infant.
If a child wants to have sex with a consenting adult then who are we to stand in the way of love?
If an adult chooses to not give his cadaver to science but to donate it to a loving companion as a love puppet then who are we to say what is weird or bizarre and what is normal?
If a pet lover wants to take his/her relationship with a favourite animal companion a step further into carnal lust, then who are we to judge?
So in the name of compassion and equal rights let us offer our understanding and support for those that choose to express their physical desire in alternate ways.
I beseech you my brothers and sisters let us not stop at homosexual emancipation.
We have started on the road of equality and justice so let us follow through until the end, fairness demands it.
Let our streets be filled with happy horny well-hung horses and un-thirsty piss-lovers; let our homes be the refuge of exhilarated child lovers and the reverberating echoes of whips and screams of pleasurable pain; let fudge-packers and dykes adopt and raise children and let death not be the end of a sexual relationship.
For God’s sake let us remember that we are all equal under the law and under God the almighty.
Thank you.
I’ll be signing pictures in the lobby afterwards.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Quote: True, but who really cares?

What are you referring to?

The only way to avoid the 'ill-bred' and 'relentless vulgrity' is through capitol. Wealth is the only way to insulate oneself, then one has the option of mobility and creating a world one wants within the world one wishes to avoid. Unfortunately the tax situation is almost (but not entirely) unavoidable and they have cracked down on off-shore banking. Helots? I guess the modern version of a helot is the average wage earning consumer. What was the purpose of slaughtering the helots? Didn't the Spartans need them for labor?