Pornography

[Xev]

So, I find your comments on this topic to be rather odd,

This topic has a horde of over-educated twits discussing sex. It's by nature odd.

but definitely congruent with typical American prudishness. That anyone considers cumplay to be "pornographic" is completely baffling to me.

Generally, depictions of sex acts are by nature pornographic.

What a weird view of this you have. Your girlfriend probably plays with your semen 'cause it's funny sticky stuff. I think you're reading too much into that.

He's probably close to right. But this is goddamned funny.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Quote: I think much of the pornographic industry depicts just how fucked up most men and women are and how sex has turned from an act of intimacy and connection between two people to just an act of entertainment with no meaning or purpose.

Why do you think it necessary to place a halo around the sex act? Intimacy and connection take place BEFORE one enters the bedroom if it is to take place at all. The same people who look lovingly into each others eyes can have the raunchiest sex imaginable. Outside of procreation the only 'meaning' and 'purpose' behind sex is pleasure. One need not feel emotionally intimate to achieve this pleasure.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Yea, yea we're curious.
Dearprudence haven't you ever experienced the completely uninhibited freedom when encountering someone who understands all your evil little predilictions and sexual psycho drama without having to 'speak' it? Having them unearth desires you were too afraid to acknowledge? Haven't you had an emotionally intimate bond or affinity...I'll call it love for simplicity...with this person? Its a beautiful thing Dearprudence. Being able to experience almost anything with someone without reserve, judgement or hesitation; to explore everything and still find desire driving one further into debauchery only to discover your liberation and licentiousness beautiful, pristine, pure, sublime? I know you know (smiles)
And yet there are those who call laying in the missionary position with some idiot humping away, looking into your eyes with a maudlin expression and stroking a teet a DEEP connection. What bores!

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

There is no need of promises. Sweet smiles are for candy vendors and kindness directed towards the dying. The hurt? Would it have been worthy of mentioning if it hadn't hurt?

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Don't get me wrong Dearprudence there isn't anything 'wrong' with meetings with strangers.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Why bother hanging around till morning? So Dearprudence do you consider yourself a philosopher and if so how have you managed to keep all those kinky desires from degrading your pure musings humm?

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

"A garden that knows nothing of man's morality"

Now that is beautiful.

 

[WANDERER]

Dear dearpointless:

One man's art is another man's pornography?
One man's beauty is another man's obscenity?
Rings a bell?...

Wanna ring mine 'cause I wanna ring yours?
Wonderboy is a pussy I preffer Wolverine. He's macho.
What's your point? Do you have one or are you just here to vent your anxieties and insecurities in public?
Are we supposed to act like your therapist or as a friend that you don't have?
Just wondering.

Tsk. The last lover I gave myself to, I mean, give my entire self to, I ended up slapping his face and finding my glasses splotched with blood.

But I know what you mean Lucy. The thing that bugs me though is... the morning. And then it all changes. We are so... kind to each other. Kindness! Full of empty promises and sweet smiles that... that I thought were sacred.

God.

It hurts. It hurts.

It sounds more like you are a delusional slut who'll fuck anybody and then wonder why it was so empty.
Heightened expectations leads to heightened dissapointments. A common modern plight of the over-pampered.
I hope you're a female cause you sound kind of gay.
If you had slapped me I would have shoved your head through the nearest wall and then licked the blood off of my face and smiled as I walked away.
Is the predator always to blame or is the prey responsible for its own stupidity also?
When will we stop blaming others for ourselves, when will we accept responsibility for our own choices?
The universe is indifferent sweetheart, deal with it or get the fuck out of the way!!!!

ACTUALLY -- LOL! I find strangers... sumptuous. Dark figures. Dark rooms. Dark sex. Dark mornings.

Dark spots on your genitals, dark circles around your eyes, dark coffee, darkness in your soul.
Are you so vacuous?
You would rather give yourself to nothingness than have nothing at all, pathetic.
Have you heard of dignity? Its looking for you.

That was the freakiest part. You see, my father was an "intellect" -- but I was "not". He turned me onto Nietzsche for some queer reason, probably wanted to show off, like all of them... could never figure that one out.

Ah, but you not understanding is excactly what is wrong with you.
Did you know intellectualism like baldness skips a generation? Some say we inherit our minds from our mothers.
Tough luck.
The fact that you took it as "showing-off" says more about you than him or these others.
Maybe you should become a 'born-again' Christian and find solace in myth and servitude.
The wilds are no place for stray sheep. There are wolves about...wait....what was that?!....run....run it comes.

Oh -- the talking clouds, and the growing trees... and still, the stars twinkle.
Now I feel like I'm showing off.

Showing-off what, your rambling romanticism?
Are you pure emotion or do you have reason as well?
Stop crying and start acting or just write me a poem.

Wouldn't God approve of thought? Divine thought? And in choice expect reason for it, right? It is reason He demands -- not "divine" thought that's already tired and a template for conduct. A hard cock is a beautiful organ: can you justify it? Hence your ignorance. And your distain. Don't accuse your God for your shortcomings.

Who's this 'He' guy you mention?
Man, you are an idiot.
If one needs to see first hand evidence of the effects of Christianity on the mind look no further. Follow 'dearpointless' and her postings through time.
A fascinating example even if quit pathetic.
Why must I justify my hard cock to you or at all?
The only thing I accuse my god of is your existence.

Riiight... back on subject. You know Lucy -- I'm not anything special.

I could have told you that sweetheart.
Now why don't you answer Lucy's question or are you afraid of it?

 

[Xev]

Dearprudence:

I don't understand: philosophy is expected to argue against the irrational in the Religion sub-forum, but the irrational is not invited to make its challenges known here in the Philosophy sub-forum?

I don't moderate those forums, hence comparison is inappropriate.

Are you so weak? Pedantic Bigot.

Congratulations on your ability to string random words together. I'd ask how I am pedantic or a bigot, but I'd not wish to task your limited intelligence overly much.

Nietzsche would not approve. And I find your sexual fantasies about Nietzsche very... unflattering.

To whom? From your postings, I probably have better acquaintance with Nietzsche than you do with any of the people you fuck.
That said, I only fantasize about Hegel. Hegel was a babe.

 

[David Mayes]

You're not my type, besides I don't think you want to meet me.

Wanderer

I'm in AUS and I believe you're in USA, so it would be difficult for the moment, although apparently the FBI might be wanting a word with me...I've been a bit naughty elsewhere, LOL....so if they round me up and ship me stateside, you can come visit.

I think much of the pornographic industry depicts just how fucked up most men and women are and how sex has turned from an act of intimacy and connection between two people to just an act of entertainment with no meaning or purpose.

As depicted via the media, definately.

In a culture believing that the purpose of life is pleasure or happiness and wanting immediate satisfaction and throw-away consumerism, it is evident why porn exists and is necessary.

I have no problem with porno{explicit sex between consenting adults}, I have a problem with what I consider degrading content.
You obviously have a unique theory which overcomes what I consider as "objectively" degrading.
This objectivity is relative to having firm but provisional agreement about the acceptable categories that define meaningful human behaviour and reflective of the actualization of mans primary potentiality, that of productiveness.

yny revealed through images of ejaculation on female faces, bestiality and so forth is just a way for many men to exact revenge upon the women they fear and are resentful towards.

I certainly expect the necessity of a variety of cathartic releases in an era whose focus is moulded by the dictates of scientism, but YOU seem to be making excuses for their behaviour, which I consider rationalizations as you've obviously been influenced by the insanity of scientism...although you're still a wise individual.

aid that fantasy is evidence of dissatisfaction. If he is right then how dissatisfied are we as a culture with our sexuality, sex lives and our lives in general?

Freud also said that mans innate nature was evil/destructive, E Fromm says destructiveness is the secondary potentiality and actualizes when conditions are pathogenic, obviously mans primary potentialities actualize when conditions are conducive to productiveness.

Also fantasizing seems to be pejoratively slanted here, it would seem to me that when overcome by reality, fantasy is a necessary process which can facilitate and sustain spiritual and mental growth.

 

[David Mayes]

You'd be suprised what some women enjoy.

Xev...enjoyment that is derived from degarding acts is not something I condone.

And isn't the impulse to degrade one's partner more or less inherent to a man's sex drive?
We all know it is. If the "dirty little secret" is exposed by the pornographers, is that the fault of the industry or of human nature?

You presume that you have human nature all figured out, and your conclusion is that of Freuds, destructiveness/evilness.
I will NEVER agree to engage in such debauchery, I would never expect a women to mimic the behaviours of the porno/wackos that inspire her spiritually comatosed self.

 

[David Mayes]

David, sound like you have had, shall we say, a somewhat limited experience with human sexuality?

Watcher.

Yes darling!!

Actually LOTS of females enjoy playing with their man's semen, and derive a tremendous sexual enjoyment and power from having it on them, in them.

You must pick up sluts, I pick up women!

So, I find your comments on this topic to be rather odd, but definitely congruent with typical American prudishness. That anyone considers cumplay to be "pornographic" is completely baffling to me.

I'm Australian, and I find cumplay as typically presented by the media as degrading{I have no problem with pornography}.
BTW, open WIDE BOY.

 

[A4Ever]

So...Xev, what's a semi-nihilist?

 

[David Mayes]

So...Xev, what's a semi-nihilist?

An atheist cunt who loves cumshots....LOL.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

David Mayes you have a quote stating "They don't get off on it....go hire one and look at their faces" and then later write "degarding acts is not something I condone."
In order for you to know the look on their faces you would have had to sample quite a number of hired help so what is it you do not condone? Paraphilia lies on the periphery of sexual norms, it is a special department within porn for those who have those particular predilictions. Most pornography is NOT paraphilic as most purveyors desire standard sexual interactions wrapped around fantasy ie: having sex with the secretary after work hours, having the nurse make a pass during examination, having the girl next door offer up her silicone breasts, threesomes etc.
Why do you focus on the most extreme forms of porn? The women who perform in a beastiality video or swallows excrement, allows a load of semen on face or swallows would have to also have an attraction for that particular paraphilic turn on. Most porn participants do not perform in extreme porn which is why you will see the same ten faces in a paraphilic flick. From your knowledge of the sex-trade there are ample examples of women entering the industry because they enjoy the business, the sex, the money they do not need you to condone their behaviour. You have strong feelings against porn so I will assume you stay away from it, not purchasing magazines, avoiding it on the net and not paying for sex. Since this thread is about porn and the mind isn't it safe to say that even if the images of debauched sex were not available for viewing they would still exist and play themselves out in the mind? And that the actions in mind may find fruition in reality just as the average non-paraphilic purchaser of porn still has sex in his real life? Whould you suggest suppressing sexual fantasy? What is inherently wrong with sexual fantasy or its celluloid version if it is only consumed by those who enjoy it and not forced on those who dont? What is the fear? And there must be some fear or you would not feel so strongly against something you apparently avoid and remain unaffected by.
"Meaningful human behaviour" and "productiveness"? What is meaningful and productive about sex? What is meaningful and productive can only be relative unless we are speaking of its biological function which is the propogation of the species.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Actually I don't find porn that stimulating when it comes to disturbing scenerios or images. A well thought out erotic film like The Night Porter or Belle Du Jour is far more provocative and subversive precisely because they leave so much to the imagination. Pornography is dulling after one has ejaculated or come, it exposes so much that the imagery becomes prosaic and unstimulating. Modern porn has nothing on what the poet Alfred De Musset produced when he wrote Gamiani, the unsentimental tittilating porn for the mind is a depiction of George Sand (it will definitely change your mind on what some women enjoy swapping and with whom). Then of course there is Guillaume Apollinaire, Pierre Louys and Pauline Reage's Story of O (women can be so dirty!), what about Anne Rice's Sleeping Beauty trilogy? I mean pouring honey on a restrained man's erect penis so that it may be stimulated by flies is something I have yet to see attempted by Ron Jeremy. My only problem with modern porn is not its extremity but that it's so damn pedestrian, it cannot explore sex at all hence my boredom. H. Miller's Under The Roofs of Paris is far more extreme than the childish scenerios I see depicted in porn. In short modern ponography is as satiating as a snickers bar when one craves Neuhaus.

 

[Xev]

David:

An atheist cunt who loves cumshots....LOL.

Odinist.

Xev...enjoyment that is derived from degarding acts is not something I condone.

That's nice, I'm sure there's a legion of female masochists out there crying their eyes out:
"Noo! David Mayes (whoever the fuck he is) doesn't condone what we do in bed."
What you condone is a matter of your preference, not a universal standard. I'm not interested in what you like to do in bed.
I am interested in whether you can justify your arguments.

You presume that you have human nature all figured out, and your conclusion is that of Freuds, destructiveness/evilness.

1: I don't like Freud. His methodology was absurd and his conclusions laughable.

2: No, I have never claimed to have "human nature all figured out" and I didn't say anything about "evilness"

3: I made an observation. Unlike you, I prefer to observe the world and then comment, rather than cramming my under-developed brain with other people's ideas and then yammering like a fool.

Are you paying attention to what I write or just stroking your miniscule penis as you type?

I will NEVER agree to engage in such debauchery, I would never expect a women to mimic the behaviours of the porno/wackos that inspire her spiritually comatosed self.

Right, but it's perfectly acceptable to insult a woman by calling her a cunt.
You can't even live up to your own (stated) standards of behaviour. How pathetic.

 

[Xev]

A4Ever:
Means I don't even know whether I'm a nihilist.
I really don't even like the term "nihilism" - too muddy.

Lucysnow:
Interesting points, well enough. "Live and let live" is a good policy, and why (unless motivated by prurient interest) would one view or discuss porn when one considers it to be "degrading" or vile?
What, precisely, is unclean about a man's semen?
Nothing. Removed from the confines of the bazaar, sex is an expression of fertility and soul.
My ancestors, the Slavs, knew this well and often invoked the God of sexuality and youth Jarilo (whose symbol is the phallus) during spring planting. One of the common defenses against drought was to lead a naked young woman through the fields.
No modern prudery there.

Pornography is boring? Indeed. The sexual act is driven into the narrow confines of pleasure and sold as image. How could it be otherwise?

 

[sweet Pentax]

Live and let live

that , coming from your mouth , is somewhat .... funny

 

[David Mayes]

Xev...I thought you might have found my characterization funny{all things considered}...you didn't and have become offended.

Considering you've called others cunt in the past, I thought you might have appreciated a return fire.

Oh well