phlogistician said:Empty, you haven't got what it takes to square up to me, ........
and therein lieth the pathology..
phlogistician said:Empty, you haven't got what it takes to square up to me, ........
Communist Hamster said:No, not in this thread. I didn't say that he had refuted stupid baseless theories in this thread. Try others.
Giambattista said:What are these stupid baseless theories, if I may ask?
Gustav said:i do not get it
but lets muddle thru this mess anyway
try this statement for size........crop circles actually exist.
it is hardly a delusion or theory.
superluminal said:- UFO's (i.e. alien spacecraft) as anything other than hoax, misidentification, or delusion.
- Ancient astronauts.
Gustav said:superluminal
lets establish a background for you thru some questions
*probability of extrasolar planets habitable by carbon based life forms?
*probability of sentience in said forms?
*probability of advanced spacefaring civ? (relative to us)
can some or all of these, be computed?
i would like you to take into account that an actual example of the above exists in the form of earth, its inhabitants and thier endeavors aka the basis for the above postulates
if unlikely, explain our uniqueness factor
Gustav said:the differentiation is mainly temporal since "alien spacecraft" would imply a pilot aka "astronaut", ancient or otherwise
agree?
Gustav said:"God, gods, deities, angels, jesus, demons, hell, heaven, and the like." caused by.......? ufo's?
candy said:"Spontaneous healing" is the label that the medical establishment puts on healing that is not caused by conventional medical treatments. A majority of the cases of "spontaneous healing" are associated with faith healing; some are related to alternative medicine. The results associated with "spontaneous healing" are real as evidenced by medical records. The how of "spontaneous healing" is still unexplained.
phlogistician said:No, not really, we've done this one before. NASA and mechanised military organisations with the capability to communicate, co-operate, react. and control, are fairly recent.
So what about all the visitations that should have occurred before the govts of the world were in a position to stifle the news?
Surely, such things would then have been common knowledge.
I now think that the public have such tools as to be able to disseminate any information publicly too, despite any attempts by any organisation to quash such communcation.
So the ability to control was perhaps only during a brief period where govts had a technological advantage over the populace, say, WW11 to the 70's. Of course, that period included the cold war, and that rather destroys the co-operation required to stifle such an internationally huge story.
So, even if you could prove an attempt by govts to stifle, I really don't think such an attempt would have worked.
superluminal said:I dispute none of your probability statements above. None of those were in my list.
1) Almost certain.
2) Also, almost certain but far less common
3) Also, almost certain but even less common than general sentience.
Is an advanced spacefaring civilization the explanation for UFO's? Based on the absolute lack of evidence, no. Absolutely not.