What if they sell them for toilet cleaning?
Do they? Sell them for toilet cleaning? Because they do sell them for sex
What if they sell them for toilet cleaning?
Yep.SAM said:Do they? Sell them for toilet cleaning?
Yep.
And farm work, factory work, etc.
It has been irrelevant to this thread throughout. You were originally attempting to talk about prostitution, but got distracted or something.SAM said:Guess in that case, its entirely irrelevant if I think its ethical whether they sell them for hard labour or sexual intercourse, isn't it?
You would need to pick an example of prostitution involving ownership, which is a little difficult and narrow. Selling children for sex is not prostitution, for example.SAM said:No I was talking about prostitution as an example of owning a person.
It has been irrelevant to this thread throughout. You were originally attempting to talk about prostitution, but got distracted or something.
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For that, you would need an example of prostitution that involved owning a person.SAM said:No I was talking about prostitution as an example of owning a person
Nowhere I know of. Slavery is illegal, at least technically, everywhere.SAM said:You cannot kill or drug yourself, but you can sell yourself for sexual favours?
No. Nor vice versa. But neither involves ownership, or is an example of anyone owning anyone else.SAM said:For example, if the person who expected you to move his piano suddenly unzipped his fly and said, I'll give you a bonus for a blow job, would you consider it appropriate?
No. Nor vice versa. But neither involves ownership, or is an example of anyone owning anyone else.
The deluded or mentally incompetent do not establish reality for others.SAM said:It does if the person thinks that "buying your time" = "owning your body for sexual services"
The deluded or mentally incompetent do not establish reality for others.
Not in the realm of service for money. If someone thinks they own me because they agreed to pay for my services moving a piano, I inform them otherwise.SAM said:The deluded or mentally incompetent do not establish reality for others.
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Unfortunately they usually do.
Not in the realm of service for money. If someone thinks they own me because they agreed to pay for my services moving a piano, I inform them otherwise.
Have you never held down a service job, or what is your difficulty with the concept of "fee for service"? It is not that complicated, one would think.
Nope. The labor of my body has been frequently included and assumed - it's a key factor in moving pianos, for instance.SAM said:I have but in all cases, I have refrained from adding my body as part of the package deal. Haven't you?
Nope. The labor of my body has been frequently included and assumed - it's a key factor in moving pianos, for instance.
Unless you are confusing this with some other kind of transaction?
In prostitution, of course. That defines the act.SAM said:Is a sexual favour equal to labour in your opinion? Is it "work"?
In prostitution, of course. That defines the act.
What difference would that make?SAM said:Not if its illegal. Or doesn't that count?
What difference would that make?
And I'm getting paid? Sure.SAM said:Well if you were moving pianos from the local music shop to the local fence, for instance, would it still be work?
S.A.M. said:
Is prostitution a form of barter where you own a person's body?
Is there anything that one is not legally permitted to do to a bought sexual partner?
IOW, if you pay for sex, are you trafficking in that persons body?