What if there was a film about the dangers of fundamentalist Judaism? About the settlers that jeopardize peace because of Zionist ideals? Isn't that the same general thing as pointing out the dangers of fundamentalist Islam?
They know it, they just hate it. But thats fine, its jsut another fulfillment of the Biblical Prophecy regarding the Prophet of Islam.
Exactly! The same goes for these freedom fighters/terrorists... See, wasn thtat hard to understand now was it?
You woulnd tjust welcome foreing invaders with open arms if your toen was bombed like that and everything you ever had was destroyed just like that. Why? Well, were targeting terrorists ofcourse
Ahahahahaha
Yeah all that Muslim intervention in Western countries has been really ghastly.
Is this in Palestine? They are occupied.
'We have heard about the Westerners making fun of the Prophet'
yes ALL westerners do this and this is a crime and we should be SHAMED to belive in christ instead.
'What should our attitude be towards that?' 'We and every Muslim who feels pride in his religion is grieved by what these fools and criminals have done by mocking our Prophet Muhammad'
But what should you expect from FOOLS and CRIMINALS? i'm sure Muhammad would agree and instead of understanding and forgiving he would move right to insults and hatred, good call!
'This insolence is nothing strange on their part, rather it is to be expected of them.'
Of course, go on.
'Moreover this crime, is nevertheless something which brings us glad tidings of their doom'
Your all SO right all who do not follow the narrow path of anger and hate SHOULD ALL BE PUT TO DEATH! YOU GO!
“For he who hates you 'Muhammad' he will be cut off (from posterity and every good thing in this world and in the Hereafter)”
al-Kawthar 108:3
of course this dictate is only a refrence to non muslims and those that fallow Muhammad should feel free to hate any who follow a different path. I see where your going here, I'd spit on all the Western infidels except I am one :bawl:
' why do they resent the leader of mankind, Muhammad' 'They want to indulge in the swamp of evil whims and desires, and they have got what they want!'
YES! we are all decendents of evil and should be punished! please call down the mighty wraith of your "WE" but I interupt, please go on...
“And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:85]
Yes, i see it now! we should all KNEEL to the great 'WE' that represents the golden forgiving light that is Muhammad.
'Allaah is wise and does not decree anything that is pure evil; rather there must be something good in it for His believing slaves, no matter how evil it appears to people'
Yes as slaves we see that we can not possibly see what is or is not evil and should look to the islamic masters that by devine right should lord over us, it's all so CLEAR now!!
'Concerning the incident of the slander (al-ifk) – which is well known – Allaah says:
“Consider it not a bad thing for you. Nay, it is good for you. Unto every man among them will be paid that which he had earned of the sin, and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be a great torment”
[al-Noor 24:11]
It's a good thing muslims do not partake of the sin of slander so these words hold no fear for them, makes perfect sense.
“Hatred has already appeared from their mouths, but what their breasts conceal is far worse”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:118]
THAT i'm SURE of.
'Exposure of the West’s double standards. Here they cite freedom of opinion, but every wise man knows that this so-called freedom of opinion should stop before violating the sanctity of others and transgressing against them.'
yes because double standards is A BAD BAD THING! our shame is like dirt in the taste of our mouth. :bawl:
“Don’t call the non-Muslims kuffaar, rather call them ‘others’ so as not to fan the flames of trouble between us and them.”
'But everyone should understand just who it is that hates the other, and does not respect his sanctity, and declares war against him every time he gets the opportunity'
Yes it is important to know that non muslims do not have the right to hate like muslims do. we really should find our PLACE!!
'A clear message was sent to the West: that we Muslims will never accept to see our religion insulted or humiliated, or any transgression against our Messenger. We will all sacrifice ourselves for him.'
In that way you can earn a place at his side and do not have to deal with tolerence and kindness to those non muslims that are naught but mud at your feet, WOW I CAN SEE THE LIGHT THAT IS THE PROPHET!
“But if you remain patient and become Al-Muttaqoon (the pious), not the least harm will their cunning do to you”
[Aal ‘Imraan 3:120]
IT'S GOOD TO KNOW THE INNOCENT WILL BE SPARED
'And Allaah knows best'
OF COURSE HE DOES!
Please know that you have struck me deeply as i'm sure you have effected all the other heathens. I at least shall use the words you have used to open my eyes every day as I use them at my porcelain alter! I promise to Bless Allaah every time!
First of all, “for 40 years the Muslim world has embarked on a mission of terror and murder with a never ending list of demands that non-Muslims do this or that or else”??? Have we now really? Well, give me a list where the whole Muslim world has “embarked” on this so called campaign of terror.You're simply missing the point about people mocking Muhammad. For 40 years the Muslim world has embarked on a mission of terror and murder with a never ending list of demands that non-Muslims do this or that or else. Islamic extremists have turned the symbol of Muhammad into one of violence. Now people like you want to complain when the Islamic world does nothing about their own that are smearing their image.
First of all, are the Muslims here not saying how unIslamic these actions are? I believe that’s what we’ve been doing so far? Or have we not?Consider one example. When Fred Phelps, a Christian extremist shows up to boycott a military funeral other Christians are there to outnumber him, shout him down and denounce his actions for being unChristian. But, when Islamic terrorist fly planes into buildings and kill 1000s of people Muslims dance in the streets and no one shows up to shout them down or denounce them as unIslamic.
Let me also copy and paste what I said in another thread on Muslim condemning and denouncing terrorist attacks:I doubt the families of the hundreds of thousands of Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq who have died, nor those that have been victims of hate crime since 9/11 are happy. Nor do I think that the family of the muslims that died on that day, or on 7/7 were happy either.
Now, finally, the question I want to ask you and your friend is that he says the point of these suicide attacks is to kill infidels. Why is it then that most suicide bombers attack Muslims themselves? The Quran explicitly forbids suicide and murder and totally condemns killing a fellow Muslim, yet somehow these “Muslims” always end up suicide bombing other Muslims. Can you give me verses from the Quran telling Muslims to kill other Muslims in this way? If you can’t, then just shut up and don’t go down that ignorant road. Also, can you tell me the number of suicide attacks before and after the illegal Iraq invasion?You ask whether I understand that Islamic terrorist acts are religiously motivated?
Sounds like you are "begging the question". You are assuming by the use of the term Islam - a religious faith - that if a member of that religion commits a terrorist act it is religiously motivated, and asking if I understand that.
It's like me asking you - Do you understand that if a Christian commits a terrorist act it is religiously motivated? By calling the terrorist a Christian in that sentence, it begs the real question of the motivation behind the act, and assumes it is religiously motivated because the terrorist is a Christian. It is a circular argument, a logical fallacy. It's as if I say X is true because X is true without saying why.
There can be many motivations for terrorism
First of all, almost all the major Shiite Grand Ayatollahs have condemned Bin Laden and al-Qaeda. You could say that is easy, since Shiites don't generally like Wahhabis. But they are the leaders of 120 million Muslims (some ten percent of the 1.2 billion). So that is one. Tracking these things down is time-consuming, but this should do
So then what about the Sunni world? The leading moral authority for Sunnis is the rector or Grand Imam of the al-Azhar Seminary/ University in Cairo, Egypt. Al-Azhar is perhaps the world's oldest continuous university and has been since the time of Saladin a major center of Sunni religious authority. The current incumbent is Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi. So what about Tantawi and Bin Laden?
Grand Imam of Al-Azhar seminary, Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, condemns Osamah Bin Laden.
And:
The Grand Imam of al-Azhar Seminary, Shaikh Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, condemns Osamah Bin Laden.
What about Pakistan? Admittedly, it has some clerics who are fans of Bin Laden, or at least who would avoid condemning him. But the allegation Friedman is making is that no major cleric has condemned him. Try this: Prominent Pakistani Cleric Tahir ul Qadri condemns Bin Laden.
I don't personally care for Yusuf al-Qaradawi. He is an old-time Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood preacher who fled to Qatar and now has a perch at al-Jazeera. But he does have some virtues. He is enormously popular among Muslim fundamentalists. And, he absolutely despises Bin Laden and al-Qaeda. Al-Qaradawi has repeatedly condemned the latter. He even gave a fatwa that it was a duty of Muslims to fight alongside the US in Afghanistan against al-Qaeda! See also:
Yusuf al-Qaradawi condemns al-Qaeda.
There are also substantial Muslim communities in Europe with leaderships that have explicitly condemned Bin Laden. E.g.:
Spanish Muslim Clerical authorities Issue Fatwa against Osamah Bin Laden. There are on the order of 250,000 Muslims in Spain.
And he gives a link to: http://www.albawaba.com/en/countries/Jordan/185952Friedman also does refer to a major conference of Muslim clerics, thinkers and notables wound up just Wednesday that made a powerful statement about religious tolerance and condemned everything Osama Bin Laden stands for. But he seems oddly unaware of the significance of having Grand Ayatollah Sistani, Grand Imam of al-Azhar Seminary Muhammad Sayyid Tantawi, and many other great Muslim authorities sign off on this epochal statement of Muslim ecumenism.
The statement forbids one Muslim to declare another "not a Muslim" if the believer adheres to any of the mainstream legal rites of Sunnism and Shiism. The whole basis of al-Qaeda is to call the Muslim leaders of countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, as well as Shiites, "not Muslims." The statement also demands that engineers should please stop pretending to issue fatwas, which should be left to trained clerical jurisconsults. This para. is also a slam at Bin Laden.
I also advise you to check out these links before condemning Muslims and Islam for allowing terrorist attacks and or not condemning them:PS As for Friedman's main point, that Muslims haven't done a good job of fighting jihadi ideology and terrorism, it is bizarre. The Algerian government fought a virtual civil war to put down political Islam, in which over 100,000 persons died. The Egyptians jailed 20,000 or 30,000 radicals for thought crimes and killed 1500 in running street battles in the 1990s and early zeroes. Al-Qaeda can't easily strike in the Middle East precisely because Syria, Egypt, Algeria, etc. have their number and have undertaken massive actions against them.
You’re not complaining about hypocrisy, no, you are dumping us in with them. Why? Just because we share the same religion? Are you fucking kidding me?No take your fight to those that smear your image and quit complaining to us about us complaining about the hypocrisy of the Muslim population.
So they are doing it in Gods name and Christianity? You just said they werent. And then im the one not terribly informed on the topic.Apparently it was, since that is in fact what they're doing it for. You don't strike me as terribly informed on the topic.
There is terrorism in Iraq. There wasn’t before the US lead us into this war based on lies. There wasn’t terrorism before the US-lead illegal invasion lead to the deaths of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians. There wasn’t any terrorism or support for it before the US-led illegal invasion started destroying houses and infrastructure and torturing people in prisons. Don’t act all high and mighty. If that was your country being invaded like that you wouldn’t just sit by and let it happen either. You’d act like the colonial terrorists did against the British.You know they weren't? Because there's no terrorism in Iraq.
Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance. Today, however, some circles have been presenting a false image of Islam...
Islam is a religion of peace, love and tolerance.
Actually, that has been refuted here:
http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=77720
It has been demonstrated beyond a doubt that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, love and intolerance. In fact, quite the opposite.
This bs has also been refuted in places like http://sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1756109&postcount=208
Which circles would that be? Al Qaeda? Islamic Jihad? Hamas? Ansar al-Islam? Fatah al-Islam? Hezbollah? Palestinian Islamic Jihad? Taliban? and hundreds more practicing terror and murder in the name of Allah?
Where are the masses of peaceful, loving tolerant Muslims shouting down these groups and denouncing them as unIslamic? Their silence is deafening...