Our attitude concerning mockery of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon

Basically, a false religion is defined as having the qualities your religion lacks. What if God really is only nature? What if there is no God at all? You have failed to invent any adequate measures for deducing a "false" religion.
 
SAM said:
: "the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion"

Pretty much represents all the Islamophobia rampant these days.
You mean the unsystematic use of invective and ridicule as a means of provocation ?

Got it.
 
You mean the unsystematic use of invective and ridicule as a means of provocation ?

Got it.

I'd say hundreds of tonnes of bombs are pretty systematic. Incarceration, torture, desecration of the Qur'an, portrayal of Muslims as terrorists, demonising Muslim beliefs, mocking their distress with cartoons and movies that dehumanise them and portray them as less than human is pretty systematic.
 
SAM said:
I'd say hundreds of tonnes of bombs are pretty systematic. Incarceration, torture,
But that, as you have elsewhere observed, is not motivated by Islamophobia - which was at issue here.

and this stuff :
SAM said:
desecration of the Qur'an, portrayal of Muslims as terrorists, demonising Muslim beliefs, mocking their distress with cartoons and movies that dehumanise them and portray them as less than human is pretty systematic.
is by turns either not Islamophobic, not systematic, or not terror-inflicting.

You seem to be thinking that the US government and corporate power structure is motivated by Islamophobia - that W&Co spent a trillion dollars and set up torture prisons and launched land war with military terrorism in Eurasia because they feared the Muslim religion.
 
False religions all have in common one basic concept with regard to God: they either claim that all men are gods, or that specific men were God, or that nature is God, or that God is a figment of man's imagination.

you call that ONE concept ? you throw everything but the kitchen sink at it and dare call it a single concept ? what all your "false religions" have in common is the "anything but mine" tag
 
But that, as you have elsewhere observed, is not motivated by Islamophobia - which was at issue here.

and this stuff : is by turns either not Islamophobic, not systematic, or not terror-inflicting.

I refer to the rampant spread of Islamophobia.
You seem to be thinking that the US government and corporate power structure is motivated by Islamophobia - that W&Co spent a trillion dollars and set up torture prisons and launched land war with military terrorism in Eurasia because they feared the Muslim religion.

Uh no, try again.
 
SAM said:
I refer to the rampant spread of Islamophobia.
That would be an improvement. Rampant spreading of Islamophobia would be more to the point.

Now if you could clarify exactly how that in itself is terrorism,

or perhaps rehibilitate the whole chain of assertions to express the observation that some of the same people who spread Islamophobia are also terrorising Muslims (for other reasons) and justifiying or concealing their behavior by reference to the Islamophobia they have spread,

we'd have something that can't be dismissed by pointing to ordinary reality.

SAM said:
You seem to be thinking that the US government and corporate power structure is motivated by Islamophobia - that W&Co spent a trillion dollars and set up torture prisons and launched land war with military terrorism in Eurasia because they feared the Muslim religion. ”

Uh no, try again.
OK. You are asserting that the US government etc etc. If that is not what you are thinking, your rhetoric is betraying your thought.
 
Evolution can explain how things appear to be designed without the intervention of a designer. You state that God creates things based on scientific principles, yet those scientific principles operate well enough on their own. Where is the scientific analysis of the God Hypothesis?

It's not enough to say "I can't believe that things came about without a designer". This is called an argument from incredulity. I makes no difference if it's hard to believe. In fact, the appeal of the God Hypothesis is a point against it. It means that accepting revealed scientific truth makes you uncomfortable, which isn't a good reason to reject something. Science demands that you make an effort to deduce things in a logical way, without an appeal to emotion.
 
Have you also studied the Christ of Christianity, The Beneficent Buddha, The Happiness of Hinduism, The Miracles of Mormom, The Pleasures of Paganism, The Joy of Judaism and many of the other uplifting texts which repay careful study.

more to the point, have you ever had a good laugh, like when going to see "Monty Python's Life of Brian" ?
 
More than once. I partricularly like his mother

i wonder whether tresbien has - a plain yes or no will suffice, tresbien, i don't need it illustrated with a few chapters from the Quran
 
Ayah (verse) 7:54 "Your Guardian-Lord Is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days..."

There are other verses that make the claim as well.

Yeah they use the Arabic word youm which can mean anything from one day to 50,000 years in the Quran.
The verses that mention "six days" use the Arabic word "youm" (day). This word appears several other times in the Qur'an, each denoting a different measurement of time. In one case, the measure of a day is equated with 50,000 years (70:4), whereas another verse states that "a day in the sight of your Lord is like 1,000 years of your reckoning" (22:47). The word "youm" is thus understood, within the Qur'an, to be a long period of time -- an era or eon. Therefore, Muslims interpret the description of a "six day" creation as six distinct periods or eons. The length of these periods is not precisely defined, nor are the specific developments that took place during each period.
 
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