There is none. Humans have no purpose. Someday the universe will swallow us up too, with the same cold indifference it showed the dinosaurs.
Our attitude concerning mockery of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon
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There is none. Humans have no purpose. Someday the universe will swallow us up too, with the same cold indifference it showed the dinosaurs.
But you wouldn't know about the concept of Allah if not for Islam. Why consider Islam to have any authority whatsoever on the subject of life? I ask why you believe the Koran, and you quote the Koran.
Come on, the Qu'ran is the recorded words of someone who said things. So is most of the Bible, So is the Mahabharata, and the teachings of Buddha.
All of them have been revered as "sacred", "divine", and so on.
But recall that the Buddha also said not to listen to what he said, not to worship him, or his teachings, but to worship the Truth.
Is the Truth words in a book? Or words that someone speaks? What happens to the Truth when the books are lost or destroyed or turn to dust?
All of them have been revered as "sacred", "divine", and so on.
But recall that the Buddha also said not to listen to what he said, not to worship him, or his teachings, but to worship the Truth.
Is the Truth words in a book? Or words that someone speaks? What happens to the Truth when the books are lost or destroyed or turn to dust?
That's why they're all nothing but hearsay. They wouldn't be allowed as evidence in a court of law. They're useless as evidence of anything.
Just because they have been revered as sacred or divine doesn't make them so. Just because someone believes there is a chair in orbit around Neptune doesn't make that so either. All of the supposed religious books are nothing but writings of men. Not one God has penned a word in any of them. They are books of hearsay about alleged events outside the body of nature and physics as we know them. They are not credible as evidence in support of anything.
just like you can't polish a turd, you can't disprove bollocks
in short, you're stuck in the past, and forever doomed to be so
god does not exist - so where do the books come from ? mere humans - foolish, superstitious humans
in that case, i am disputing the indisputable
beside, i've lost track of the number of threads where someone claims the prediction of modern scientific knowledge - it always boils down to re-interpreting words and 20/20 hindsight vision
there is no afterlife - at least that's good enough reason for me to make sure that there's a good quality life BEFORE death
you're obviously one of those people who needs an instruction manual for everything from a coffee maker to a toothbrush
i'd rather use my initiative if that's ok with you
you obviously have never learnt to communicate properly on a forum : it's all incantations and recitations, but very little of what i'd call communication
Which, then, must be punished with death?
Yet, this is the kind of oppression heaped on kufr in islamic countries. They can't take it but can dish it out?
In commentary to the debate that's gone on above: there's nothing inherently wrong with faith - or with any particular faith, even islam (which at least has the chance of reform). What is wrong is the needless oppression of other people for reasons of religion. It's like any other societal meme or group of knowledge; it can be used for good or ill.
trebien, what would you think of a person who was indeed a nice fellow BUT also felt the exact same feeling you feel only they felt them towards Ron Hubbard, was a Scientologist and worshiped Xenu the intergalactic Emperor?
Believe it or not they feel the same way you do and truly believe Ron was the last Prophet and Ron's words are perfect and have the most meaning.
I'd personally think that such a person, while nice, are brainwashed.
Michael
PS: Yes Michael the archangel.
Actually tresbien I was probably misstating when I suggested brainwashed. From this paragraph I am inclined to think there is an anatomical particularity in the crytoarchitecture of your neural net - possible centered around your temporal lobes. It's be interesting to run some MRI scans of your CNS while you observe colors and compare this to how you process melodies. Either of which can elicit such phenomenon in certain individuals. Hence temples made of colored glass populated with choirs and or other musical noteworthies - take the poetic reading of the Qur"an for example. Picasso, before becoming an artist, was entranced with colored glass and would be "filled with the holy ghost" by staring transfixed at the sun shining through it in the local cathedral. Of course he endeavored to become a Priest. Who needs sex when the SWEET JOY OF JESUS can fill you with such ecstasy! He was subsequently restricted from attending the church due to improperness of his "connection" with God.
Listening to the Qur'an being read as a poem can illicit the exact sort of feelings for the same reasons.
So, that's not "real" brainwashed I'd say. That's simply doing what all animals (including me and everyone else) do. It's responding to the environment and explaining it as best we can. Due to our social nature we then try to explain it to others. But, really, it'd be like explaining color to the color blind.
Michael
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Islam is a religion. Followers of Islam are told the Qu'ran (words - of the Prophet), is the sole arbiter and authority on all things; that it's the only way and all else is idolatry and sin (like other religions say).
There are elements (mythology, common descent, a liturgy) that can be seen in other religions that also make similar claims:- that they are the sole authority on life, the truth, and so on.
But it appears to be presented in somewhat contradictory ways. One of the big contradictions is that Muslims claim to respect all peoples, and that Islam is peaceful, but it's followers resort to violent oppressive (and racist) attacks and methods?? It says in the "holy book", that adherents (Muslims) are bound (by their faith) to kill non-believers??
A book that's got contradictory ideas (that are supposed to form a socio-spiritual way of life and governance, like the Western paradigm with Christianity), is in trouble from the outset.
That sura that okays the murder of "infidels", or those who fail to surrender to Islam, is a bit of a problem - it directly contradicts Eastern notions (except those enshrined in caste), and especially Buddhist notions. What's the deal with that?
There are elements (mythology, common descent, a liturgy) that can be seen in other religions that also make similar claims:- that they are the sole authority on life, the truth, and so on.
But it appears to be presented in somewhat contradictory ways. One of the big contradictions is that Muslims claim to respect all peoples, and that Islam is peaceful, but it's followers resort to violent oppressive (and racist) attacks and methods?? It says in the "holy book", that adherents (Muslims) are bound (by their faith) to kill non-believers??
A book that's got contradictory ideas (that are supposed to form a socio-spiritual way of life and governance, like the Western paradigm with Christianity), is in trouble from the outset.
That sura that okays the murder of "infidels", or those who fail to surrender to Islam, is a bit of a problem - it directly contradicts Eastern notions (except those enshrined in caste), and especially Buddhist notions. What's the deal with that?
tbh, tresbien's "irrefutable" arguments are only irrefutable if you accept the basic assumptions that underlie those arguments
to anyone who does not share those basic assumptions, the arguments are anything but irrefutable, they're nonsensical
to anyone who does not share those basic assumptions, the arguments are anything but irrefutable, they're nonsensical
And, Muslims wonder why they're cult is mocked. Thanks. :thumbsup:
now i see how you can claim that the quran is capable of predicting every single scientific fact: you discard the ones that don't fit and bend the others until they do
the rest of the post (which are obviously not your words, but i assume that you agree with the general opinion) is nothing but one long expression of incredulity
well, i got news for you : just because you dearly want to believe something doesn't make it true, and conversely, just because you dearly want to disbelieve something doesn't make it false
Your answer is full of foolish, ignorant fabrications. Only a complete brainwashed fool would entertain such drivel.
Does the Qur'an mention a "literal" number of days as far as creation?
Just curious.Thanks.
Your beliefs and convictions have nothing to do with reality. If you're going to insult our intelligence, you'll get no respect in return.
Some of us here actually understand evolution, while clearly you haven't got a clue.
So, rather than keeping the Quran surgically attached to your eyeballs, try reading another book for a change before you go off ranting your fantasies.
Best 8 bucks you'll ever spend, trust me.
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