Osama Bin Laden is Dead

S.A.M. said:
Not really, like I said, I go by the evidence. So we have Musharraf, Ahmed Rashid, the CIA report and unknown Pakistani intelligence officials telling CBS that OBL has kidney disease.
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No "evidence" there - just unsupported assertions from people with obvious stakes in the question.

S.A.M. said:
I'm saying that there is more evidence for his dialysis [which you can see above for what it is] than for all of the other questions posted.
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So you're saying there's no evidence for much of anything.

Which is about right - the sort of courtroom/science paper standard of evidence that you're trotting out here is on the Birther level of pathological skepticism. If we seriously adhered to it, there'd be nothing for anyone to talk about. So between that and the selective application of said standard, what we have is just a cheap tactic.

Fortunately for you, there's no shortage of fools who'll bite on the supposition that they need to prove something to you.
 
Mrs.Lucysnow said:
No it wasn't saying that. I also don't believe Sam supports Bin Laden. What neither of you will do is ACKNOWLEDGE that Bin Laden was a terrorist who had it coming. Instead you would rather throw conspiracy to cloud the validity of the attack, turn the perpetrator into a victim and blame those who were either defending themselves or seeking out justice for 9/11.

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"Believe me Chi I am not trying to change your mind. I imagine if he were brought out alive and placed on trial and admitted guilt you would have still found reason not to cast any blame on him but on the West so...

And its the same with Sam. Muslim deaths by other muslims (terrorism) which far outnumber the deaths caused by western troops doesn't concern you at all so you look for any reason to discredit the west or the US (what-have-you)"

So where does it come through that you support Bin Laden? You are, as usual, full of shit. You say NOTHING about Bin Laden, you behave as if his conduct is besides the point, Sam does the same, she never would address anything having to do with Bin Laden unless its to stir doubt on any culpability on his part. Go figure.
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When have I ever said any such thing?, I care about every innocent life on this planet. If Bin Laden is responsible for the deaths of innocent people then he is to blame for those deaths, Just ike If an american Soldier is responsible for the killing of innocents he is responsible.

I don't know where you keep getting my opinions from but they are not from me.
 
S.A.M. said:
Not really, like I said, I go by the evidence. So we have Musharraf, Ahmed Rashid, the CIA report and unknown Pakistani intelligence officials telling CBS that OBL has kidney disease.


I'm saying that there is more evidence for his dialysis [which you can see above for what it is] than for all of the other questions posted.
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Nope Sam, dialysis isn't the issue. You provide nothing but rumor of dialysis. And again you never answer these questions:

Are you denying that Bin Laden created, funded and led al-Qaeda?

Or are you denying that there is an al-qaeda?

Or are you implying that al-qaeda has never engaged in terrorism?

Because his guilt to any one of those questions is what had him on the most wanted list. I am asking you if you think Bin Laden is innocent of terrorism charges.

Yes or no answers would suffice.
 
EmptyForceOfChi said:
When have I ever said any such thing?, I care about every innocent life on this planet. If Bin Laden is responsible for the deaths of innocent people then he is to blame for those deaths, Just ike If an american Soldier is responsible for the killing of innocents he is responsible.

I don't know where you keep getting my opinions from but they are not from me.
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Yeah whatever. You're a real hUEMANitarian.
 
The Esotericist said:
What ever. These are the same people that IMMEDIATELY cleaned up the world's biggest crime scene at ground zero. Why on earth would they want to keep around the supposed body of the person that they have absolutely no evidence accused of this crime?

For anyone interested in FACTS? Here's where facts can be found.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/
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Well I am not into the 911 conspiracies. TBH, I didn't even question the whole al Qaeda bunny until a couple of years ago when I started reading independent reports. I was actually in Saudi Arabia when 911 happened and like everyone else I didn't look beyond the news. It was only after reading Greg Palasts report on Anbar that I suddenly realised how much of my opinion had no basis in fact. That was due to some completely unrelated argument I was having about the Iraq war. And like anything else, once I realised that, I suddenly started to note that Presidential candidates were meeting or quoting dead people and although there were plenty of allegations of al Qaeda activity, there wasn't any al Qaeda member who discussed al Qaeda as an organisation [the only one who did turned out to be an Egyptian actor] But absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

So I am willing to be convinced, as soon as I see some.

Btw, James R did a thread on my "conspiracy"

http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=71703
 
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S.A.M. said:
No I am asking you for evidence of those claims. Because the courts don't revolve around opinions.

Go ahead, feel free to provide the evidence that you base your opinions on.
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So. . . . you don't think OBL was responsible for 9/11?

Would you like the numerous independently researched works?

~String
 
EmptyForceOfChi said:
How am I a traitor because I don't support waging war on people and im not waving a king george flag in support of our troops?.
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What about protecting your society from ideological freaks? Or better yet how about an interest in even protecting your borders from terrorist infiltration? You could just start with that, because its not so much that you are critical of the West or the US as much as you don't acknowledge that Bin Laden was a security menace (meaning that he was indeed a terrorist)
 
Mrs.Lucysnow said:
What about protecting your society from ideological freaks? Or better yet how about an interest in even protecting your borders from terrorist infiltration? You could just start with that, because its not so much that you are critical of the West or the US as much as you don't acknowledge that Bin Laden was a security menace (meaning that he was indeed a terrorist)
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I haven't seen any convincing evidence to sway me enough to judge him to death. Protect my boarders? im a civilian not a member of the armed forces Im not insured to do that or even licensed to carry a firearm.

Why don't you go and hold down your boarders and go shoot some mexicans or something for daring to walk on their own continent.
 
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