Osama Bin Laden is Dead

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

So if Pakistani troops decided to take out a terrorist - against whom they could provide no evidence of terrorism - or at least none that would stand up in court - without the permission of the US government inside the US, would it be a "military operation"?

Hence my comment on vigilante justice. It was not a military operation it was an extrajudicial assassination. It was an illegal operation.

They have had evidence of his involvement inciting, funding and inspiring terrorism for years. There isn't one government who has denied Bin Laden as a terrorist and the need to bring him down by hook or by crook. Personally I'm glad the tax payers didn't have to fund some long drawn out trial and create a security nightmare which would bring only grief. As Tiassa pointed out he could have played any scenario he liked but he preferred to die as he lived. I have no problem with that.

 

[Tiassa]

Meteor Showers

I don't even think you need to ask, but I'd love to see the answer.

Unfortunately, I now have the South Park mangling of Cher stuck in my head. Seriously, I can't tell the difference between that and Lady Gaga.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

They have had evidence of his involvement inciting, funding and inspiring terrorism for years. There isn't one government who has denied Bin Laden as a terrorist and the need to bring him down by hook or by crook. Personally I'm glad the tax payers didn't have to go through some long drawn out trial. As Tiassa pointed out he could have played any scenario he liked but he preferred to die as he lived. I have no problem with that.

Evidence is easy to come by when your the one who fabricates and plants it.

 

[S.A.M.]

They have had evidence of his involvement inciting, funding and inspiring terrorism for years. There isn't one government who has denied Bin Laden as a terrorist and the need to bring him down by hook or by crook. Personally I'm glad the tax payers didn't have to go through some long drawn out trial. As Tiassa pointed out he could have played any scenario he liked but he preferred to die as he lived. I have no problem with that.

Where is the evidence? Has it been provided in any court?

Meanwhile, these US troops did not have permission from the Pakistan government and they entered Abootabad and apparently killed people there including, presumably the young wife. Can they be arrested by the Pakistani government? Will the US give them up if they are indicted in a Pakistani court?

How would the US government treat a similar circumstance? Pakistani troops shooting out near US bases inside the US?

 

[SciWriter]

Evidence is easy to come by when your the one who fabricates and plants it.

About a Bad

The specter fled to Abottabad,
Having done a whole lotta bad.
His courier laden with what Osama had.

No phone, internet, or even any trash
Was the giveaway to what the mansion hath,
And even in the nearby counter-terrorism’s path.

SEALs swept into the heart of the storm
Coptering into the hilltop’s guarding swarm,
In a foreign land, the tempest found by the CIA,
And so the leader and his men live no more today.

A shot to the head and he was dead,
And to evil the end, as to all in his stead,
Whether clerics or just plain terror led.

OBL rules nothing now, as not to be,
Rotting at the bottom of the Arabian sea.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Evidence is easy to come by when your the one who fabricates and plants it.

Believe me Chi I am not trying to change your mind. I imagine if he were brought out alive and placed on trial and admitted guilt you would have still found reason not to cast any blame on him but on the West so...:shrug:

And its the same with Sam. Muslim deaths by other muslims (terrorism) which far outnumber the deaths caused by western troops doesn't concern you at all so you look for any reason to discredit the west or the US (what-have-you)

 

[cosmictraveler]

Are you being sarcastic, or are you only refering to nato deaths, how did the women and children being carpet bombed serve in this so called "Honour and glory".

Can you provide a link to prove that statement?

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

About a Bad

The specter fled to Abottabad,
Having done a whole lotta bad.
His courier laden with what Osama had.

No phone, internet, or even any trash
Was the giveaway to what the mansion hath,
And even in the nearby counter-terrorism’s path.

SEALs swept into the heart of the storm
Coptering into the hilltop’s guarding swarm,
In a foreign land, the tempest found by the CIA,
And so the leader and his men live no more today.

A shot to the head and he was dead,
And to evil the end, as to all in his stead,
Whether clerics or just plain terror led.

OBL rules nothing now, as not to be,
Rotting at the bottom of the Arabian sea.

This isn't the Poetry thread.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Can you provide a link to prove that statement?

What was my statement?

 

[quadraphonics]

Meanwhile, these US troops did not have permission from the Pakistan government

Got any evidence of that? What court has it appeared in?

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Believe me Chi I am not trying to change your mind. I imagine if he were brought out alive and placed on trial and admitted guilt you would have still found reason not to cast any blame on him but on the West so...:shrug:

And its the same with Sam. Muslim deaths by other muslims (terrorism) which far outnumber the deaths caused by western troops doesn't concern you at all so you look for any reason to discredit the west or the US (what-have-you)

Hmm, when did I say I support Bin Laden, or you assume I do?

 

[S.A.M.]

Got any evidence of that? What court has it appeared in?

Exactly. Will we see it in one do you think? I used to think Indians are naive about their government but compared to Americans they are practically savants.

 

[quadraphonics]

So if Pakistani troops decided to take out a terrorist - against whom they could provide no evidence of terrorism - or at least none that would stand up in court - without the permission of the US government inside the US, would it be a "military operation"?

Supposing they sent a bunch of troops to do so then, yes, it would by definition be a "military operation."

If they used intelligence operatives to do it, it would be an "intelligence operation." Or maybe "espionage operation."

It seems that you are looking for a different term there, than "military operation." A "military operation" is nothing more than troops doing something commanded by their leaders.

 

[quadraphonics]

Exactly. Will we see it in one do you think?

So you are backing off of your claim that Pakistan did not give its permission for this?

 

[S.A.M.]

So you are backing off of your claim that Pakistan did not give its permission for this?

Frankly, I consider the whole thing to be a monumental farce. Maybe you should borrow our pandus, to get better results without tossing away your whole economy. The Seals obviously are seriously challenged by terrorists on dialysis.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Where is the evidence? Has it been provided in any court?

Meanwhile, these US troops did not have permission from the Pakistan government and they entered Abootabad and apparently killed people there including, presumably the young wife. Can they be arrested by the Pakistani government? Will the US give them up if they are indicted in a Pakistani court?

How would the US government treat a similar circumstance? Pakistani troops shooting out near US bases inside the US?

Sam are you denying that Bin Laden created and led al-Qaeda? Or are you denying that there is an al-qaeda? Or are you implying that al-qaeda has never engaged in terrorism?

Dead men don't need courts.

 

[Mrs.Lucysnow]

Hmm, when did I say I support Bin Laden, or you assume I do?

Where did you see me write that you support Bin Laden? Your glasses are failing you.

 

[S.A.M.]

Sam are you denying that Bin Laden created and led al-Qaeda? Or are you denying that there is an al-qaeda? Or are you implying that al-qaeda has never engaged in terrorism?

Dead men don't need courts.

No I am asking you for evidence of those claims. Because the courts don't revolve around opinions.

Go ahead, feel free to provide the evidence that you base your opinions on.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Where did you see me write that you support Bin Laden? Your glasses are failing you.

Originally Posted by Mrs.Lucysnow
"Believe me Chi I am not trying to change your mind. I imagine if he were brought out alive and placed on trial and admitted guilt you would have still found reason not to cast any blame on him but on the West so...

And its the same with Sam. Muslim deaths by other muslims (terrorism) which far outnumber the deaths caused by western troops doesn't concern you at all so you look for any reason to discredit the west or the US (what-have-you"

So by "Find reason to cast 'Any Blame' on him" how would this amount to anything but supporting him.

 

[EmptyForceOfChi]

Your not very good at this debating game are ya, can't even keep track of your own words.