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certainly not Iraq. They intentionally drew that "country's" boundaries to include three mutually hostile groups, but after Kuwait was separated off as a separate contry, the Sunni were less numerous, but that did not stop Saddam from ruling over the Xiite majority with terror.
Could Saddam have done it by himself? And you forget that the division of Kuwait kept hostilities high between the two.
So they just "drew out the boundaries"?
this place make me laugh. you have to laugh, what else can you do?
I doubt he could have established himself as the absolute ruler over the Kurds and Xiites if he had to after the loss of so many Sunni, but he already was the absolute ruler over them when Kuwait was split off.
how far can you go NOT to find hostile grooups towards ecahother?
Yes a lady (a Lord's wife) have lived most of her adult life among these Arabs and she advised the British Foreign Office where to draw the lines on a map in London.
She was a very interest person. Traveled all over the middle East with her large camel caravan. (Always took her china and tea sets with her. Many of the shieks would not talk to each other, except by swinging knives; but they used her to make agreements between themselves. - It is impossible to over estimated her mark on history - she made the middle East what it is today. Unfortunately I have forgotten her name. Please someone post it.)
I think preferentially funding and arming one group of people, signing treaties that put them in power and putting your entire military strength behind them, not only ensures that these groups are present, but also ensures their continued violence against each other. See Catholic vs Protestant in Ireland, Buddhist vs Tamil in Sri Lanka, Hindu vs Muslim in India, Arab vs non-Arab in Sudan, Jews vs non-Jews in Palestine etc.
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come on billy. the people who live in a region are what makes it what it is.
i thought they were African?
The Dutch and French were colonialists too, but the British were excpetionally good at Divide and Rule. A British friend of mine [who I blame for all the ills in the world, which he meekly accepts as his burden] says that this is what the British are: when they do something they get extremely zealous about it. Hence, the moment they decided slavery was bad [having really excelled at it themselves] everyone else had to stop.
many people were many things.
no offense but your "friend" sounds like an ignoramus. slavery did not stop.
You're reading the meaning wrong.
S.A.M. wasn't saying that it did stop, rather that once we (us nasty nasty English) decided it was bad then we did our damned best at the time to let everyone know that it should stop.
I agree it is the people who make the culture, but I was speaking of the boundaries of what the west calls "countries" - The people living there still do not much care about these western creations - their first loyality it to their extended family group (Practice of usually marrying a cousin makes these groups often a thousand or more strong* - with sub-extended family clans.) This loyality is why not one of the several hundrend who at least for some days, knew where Saddam was hidding came forward to claim the multi- milion dollar reward.
Their second loyality is to their version of Islam. It organizes many of these families (tribes, really) into the three larger gourps and they live under the rule of the religious leaders mainly.
Only those on the US payrole have a third loyal to the nation we call Iraq. Their higher loyalties is why the Iraqi police form secrete death squads to make war on the second loyality level. etc. Why the oil income can not be shared in practice etc. When the dollars stop coming in - it will all revert to the way it was before - I.e. some family group / tribe will put their chief in control again to rule over the others, at least outside of the religious sphere.
GWB, and most Americans, still do not understand what the practice, thousands of years old, of marrying one of your 2nd cousins can and does achieve.
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*The family of a young man has many dozens to chose from - love plays very little role in the complex selection process - perhaps bride and groom first met at their wedding although this is no longer common now.
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Yes and ? The Rothchilds didn't quite get their way - that time.
Just something of intrest.
If you look at all the reasons given for why the palestinians no longer have a legit claim on the land Israel annexed and applied them consistently through out history the jewish claim to land that the used to get the nation of Israel would not exist.
If you look at all the reasons given for why the palestinians no longer have a legit claim on the land Israel annexed and applied them consistently through out history the jewish claim to land that the used to get the nation of Israel would not exist.
You just realised that?
No. knew it for a while.
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