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That's true, it was an amazing victory. The Arabs were uncoordinated and overconfident, they were about to slaughter the Jews. It's a good thing the Jews won. Capturing land is a defensive move. When police "secure" an area, it's the same thing, make sure an attack can't come from there. They gave most of it back.

I think your Jewish heritage is clouding your understanding of history. The "victory" of the Jews was far from "amazing", although routine exposure to Jewish-dominated sources will erroneously indicate that the Jews were outnumbered, cornered, without assistance, and left to fend off their enemies with the most primitive of weapons. Of course, the truth is far from the general perception of this topic. Many supporters of Israel cite the remarkable "fact" that the Israelis themselves were fighting seven or eight different Arab nations/organizations. While this point may be true, it's extremely misleading, because despite this outward Arab "advantage", the Jews had more manpower than every Arab nation combined. The Jews clearly had superior numbers which, whether you want to admit it or not, has great bearing on the outcome of any war. This part is self-explanatory, if you ask me.

Secondly, let us examine the issue of organization and weaponry. The Mandate's history in Palestine is notorious, one of the reasons being their active involvement in demilitarizing Arab communities. The Mandate and Zionist forces were hell-bent on disarming Arab communities within Palestine prior to the '48 war, and made sure that military training was not available to non-Jewish Palestinians. The Anglo/American Committee Report states that prior to the war, Haganah was a highly organized and unified military force, and had Jewish-run terrorist organizations assisting it as well, such as Irgun (up to 6,000 armed terrorists). In Palestine, no such military organizations run by Arabs existed.

The truth is, the Jews were given enormous funds and training by the Zionists, long before the Nakbah occurred. Jews from the Jewish Legion in the British Army offered training and military knowledge as well, who understood the art of war due to their previous deployment in Italy. The Jews of Palestine had military officials with experience guiding the training efforts, massive terrorist groups which were incredibly organized and well-funded, and were accumulating weapons and funds decades before their war for "independence". The British crucially armed the Jews, and trained almost 15,000 Jewish police officers. While the Jews were being funded by both the British and the Zionists, leading to an organized, well-funded military, they had thousands of trained terrorists who actively took part in surprise attacks against docile Arab communities. It's amazing, really: the Jews of Israel today complain about Palestinian guerillas, supporting their claims with Palestinian acts of "terrorism", the classic example being the "bus bombing". Here's a photo of a Palestinian bus which was bombed by a Jewish Irgun terrorist, in 1947 (seventeen Palestinians died):

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Overall, I don't see anything "amazing" about the Jewish victory in '48. It was highly predictable and, if anything, less dominating than an educated man would think it to be. The Jews were armed and trained by one of the world's greatest military forces, and funded by some of the world's richest men. Many Jewish commanders had experience in warfare, under the British Army's command earlier in their lives. The Arabs in Palestine were mostly illiterate and poor, with little to no funds, unsophisticated weaponry, and lacked military experience/professional training. The same can be said of the small Arab forces deployed by neighbouring Arab nations. It was a war that the Arabs were destined to lose.

As for "capturing land is a defensive move", I'm not entirely sure if many Jews would echoe your sentiments. Were the ancient Romans, conquerors of Palestine and destroyers of the revered Jewish Temple, conducting defensive operations? The Jews of Ashkenazim have no business whatsoever in Palestine; their history pertains to Europe, and nothing else. The Jews of Sephardim who favor religious equality over separatism and exclusivism are free to stay. Anything short of this demand will miserably fail. This demand will either be met with approval, or it will be met with the full-scale destruction of Israel and its inhabitants. Israel, like all apartheid occupations, is only a temporary construct; the fathers of Israel knew this full well. The biggest question is, will Jews and Arabs learn to put aside their differences, or will the severely outnumbered Jews of Israel go through a second holocaust after their provider, the U.S., collapses? After all, the only purpose of Israel and Political Zionism is to foment a third World War, with the Muslim world being the target. The Jews in Israel just may be the most unfortunate people of all: throughout the seemingly endless line of foreseeable wars, they are always going to be in the centre of attention. If they think they're in danger now, just wait until America falls.


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There was no Israel, remember? Just a bunch of immigrants from Europe. And Palestinians were the ones with the land. You cannot attack what does not exist. But they had every right to defend their own.

and they accomplished so much with that land, every one knows the names of the very successful palestinians companies pre 48.
 
??? How is annexing all of the palestinian land giving most of it back. Are ignorant or just plain dishonest? Arabs can do wrong i have stated that. according to you they can do no right and the jews can do wrong. Try and at least to pretend to be intellectally honest on this topic

Israel gave back the Sinai and offered to return Gaza and the west bank. but it always nice to have Palestinians, how else can you argue against the jews?

if you Palestinians apologists cant recognize the jewish nationality, why should we recognize the palestinian one?

screw them. they havent done anything for us anyway.
 
Good damn you are dishonest as all hell.

There aren't supposed to be any, huh? Of course, your propaganda story is one of European bullies establishing an illegal colony to the detriment of poor victimized Arab Muslims.

The Jews were supposed to be both a belligerent minority, as well as outnumbering the armies of 8 nations. Uh huh.
 
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Israel gave back the Sinai and offered to return Gaza and the west bank. but it always nice to have Palestinians, how else can you argue against the jews?
um all of the palestinian land they annexed in 48. Its easy to argue against the jewish position with facts as i do.

if you Palestinians apologists cant recognize the jewish nationality, why should we recognize the palestinian one?
nice strawman. I recognize jewish nationality a having a claim to the land.( as do a lot of what you call palestinian apolgists by there language) but the Israeli apolgists don't recognize the palestinian claim to land at all.

screw them. they havent done anything for us anyway.
This is the height of stupidity. All the Israelis have done is shit on the Palestinians and you expect them to do something for you. If you want them to do something for try and engender some good will. You don't annex the land meant for a population's country and that they are living on and than treat them as invaders and than honestly expect them to be happy about. If your views are typical of Israeli views on the conflict its no wonder its lasted so long. It fucking stupid.
 
There aren't supposed to be any, huh? Of course, your propaganda story is one of European bullies establishing an illegal colony to the detriment of poor victimized Arab Muslims.

The Jews were supposed to be both a belligerent minority, as well as outnumbering the armies of 8 nations. Uh huh.
What the fuck are you talking about. Are you to much of a coward to debate the issue logically. Thats not even close to my arguement. All my points are grounded in fact(gleaned mostly from American and Israeli sources), if you can't handle a factual critque of Israeli and a hard factual look at the conflict you should be involved in the debate.
 
I'm dishonest for mentioning native Jews? Hadn't they been coming to Israel since the 1800's? Hadn't at least some of them been there way before that? Weren't there a significant majority of Jews in the partitioned region designated by the UN?
 
I'm dishonest for mentioning native Jews? Hadn't they been coming to Israel since the 1800's? Hadn't at least some of them been there way before that? Weren't there a significant majority of Jews in the partitioned region designated by the UN?

You never mentioned them so yeah you are being dishonest now. No one is denying there were native jews. The parts that were given to the jews in the UN partition is not what i am argueing. I am argueing about the Palestinian land that was for them in the partition than Israel annexed. Which the population of native jews has nothing to do with.
 
It didn't take place in a vacuum, but in light of Arab uprisings, massacres, and especially an impending invasion. In such a situation, talk of the fairness of taking possession of Arab land is irrelevant. It wasn't fair for the Arab nations to take military action against the prospect of a Jewish state.
 
um all of the palestinian land they annexed in 48. Its easy to argue against the jewish position with facts as i do.

the partition plan in 48 which they rejected and open a war to kill us all?

yeah, as if.

nice strawman. I recognize jewish nationality a having a claim to the land.( as do a lot of what you call palestinian apolgists by there language) but the Israeli apolgists don't recognize the palestinian claim to land at all.

what palestinian apologist recognize any jewish right on any part of the land? I never met any, especially here.

This is the height of stupidity. All the Israelis have done is shit on the Palestinians and you expect them to do something for you. If you want them to do something for try and engender some good will. You don't annex the land meant for a population's country and that they are living on and than treat them as invaders and than honestly expect them to be happy about. If your views are typical of Israeli views on the conflict its no wonder its lasted so long. It fucking stupid.

we didnt annexed their country, we fought a war for our very survival. do you even know what you are talking about?

palestinians have never, and will never do anything good for us or themselves, either then raise terrorists. they are so full of hatred, they cant even get along with each other. thats the reason the conflict has lasted so long, they dont want to resolve it, they just dont want us here, because we are the zionist invaders who came from europe to steal their desert land of camels and donkeys.
 
It didn't take place in a vacuum, but in light of Arab uprisings, massacres, and especially an impending invasion. In such a situation, talk of the fairness of taking possession of Arab land is irrelevant. It wasn't fair for the Arab nations to take military action against the prospect of a Jewish state.



One might think, what would have happened to the 600,000 Jews of Palestine had the Arabs won the war. According to their own claims at the time, it wouldnt have been ethnic cleansing, but rather wholesale genocide.
 
the partition plan in 48 which they rejected and open a war to kill us all?

yeah, as if.
thats debatable at best, bullshit at worst.



what palestinian apologist recognize any jewish right on any part of the land? I never met any, especially here.
Its implied in the language they used as i said before. The reason you probably don't hear is you don't want to. and i didn't say a right to the land i said claim to it big difference.



we didnt annexed their country, we fought a war for our very survival. do you even know what you are talking about?
Never said country i said land. Fought a war for you very survivial as if. The question of jewish victory was except for the very begining never in doubt. Yesz i know what i am talking about, do you? and quit fucking strawmanning

palestinians have never, and will never do anything good for us or themselves, either then raise terrorists. they are so full of hatred, they cant even get along with each other. thats the reason the conflict has lasted so long, they dont want to resolve it, they just dont want us here, because we are the zionist invaders who came from europe to steal their desert land of camels and donkeys.
You have just proven your stupidty with this paragraph as i laid before why they have no reason to do anything for you. You have to try an engender goodwill before you can expect someone to something for you. And nice bigotry. and for the record bigotry doesn't help your cause any.
 
It didn't take place in a vacuum, but in light of Arab uprisings, massacres, and especially an impending invasion. In such a situation, talk of the fairness of taking possession of Arab land is irrelevant. It wasn't fair for the Arab nations to take military action against the prospect of a Jewish state.

There is solid proof to raise doubt to that conclusion. And it didn't take place in vacuum, but as usual for your side you have ignored the crimes your side commited. If it was an invasion why did the vast majority of battles take place out side of the land for the jews?


And you and spocks everything Israel does is perfectly justified even if no other country would be allowed to act in the same manner attitude has to stop. It makes both of you look far less intelligent than you are.
 
such as? if you link me to iilan pepe or benny moris ill shoot you on sight.

I have come across them and its easy to see why you hate them. They question the sactioned governement line. But its mainly the american sources i find that use them as a jumping point. Most of the true israeli sources seem to question the governemnts official line on everything more out of basic understanding of human nature and commen sense.
 
I have come across them and its easy to see why you hate them. They question the sactioned governement line. But its mainly the american sources i find that use them as a jumping point. Most of the true israeli sources seem to question the governemnts official line on everything more out of basic understanding of human nature and commen sense.

I "hate" them because they make money of antisemitism and lies. in other words, you havent opened up a book by a real historian. too bad. i wonder what pepe rights on the 29 massacre, invading zionists pressured the arabs to slaughter 67 jews? :roflmao:
 
I "hate" them because they make money of antisemitism and lies
bullshit you have shown distaste and hatred toward any one who question your perfectly innocent view of Israel It doesn't matter to you if legititmate reason exists to hate them and accuse them of antisemitism you still do.
in other words, you havent opened up a book by a real historian. too bad. i wonder what pepe rights on the 29 massacre, invading zionists pressured the arabs to slaughter 67 jews? :roflmao:

Why do i feel by real historian you mean some who will agree with you? I usually don't read history books, I usually read history papers. I have read lots of things by real historians though i question if you have ever read a book by someone who wanted the truth rather than paint israel in the best possible light. Your attitude makes such an event highly unlikely. but it is nice to see you still strawmanning as usual.
 
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It wasn't fair for the Arab nations to take military action against the prospect of a Jewish state.

So you would say the same if the Palestinians attempted to create a Palestinian state in their lands and "Israel" took "military action" against it? After all, Palestinians are the natives while Israelis are the foreign occupiers.

One might think, what would have happened to the 600,000 Jews of Palestine had the Arabs won the war. According to their own claims at the time, it wouldnt have been ethnic cleansing, but rather wholesale genocide.

600,000 Jews? They were 7% of the population!!! What happened to the 93% of non-Jewish Palestinians?
 
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