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[Vkothii]

Here's a relevant and pointed question for all you wannabe Hebrews: what has happened to Arab Jews who occupied Jerusalem continuously? Or they did until a bunch of Europeans arrived and told them: "No, you guys are Arabs, you have to be from Europe to claim Jewish ancestry!"

So how many Arab Jews are citizens of the new dream-country today? The one that only exists because a group of Europeans want to fight a protracted war and steal land and water, and shoot everyone who disagrees with their "right" to?
The country that will always be fighting for its right to kill natives and take their land?
When will such a group of idiots ever see beyond that all they've been doing is guaranteeing they'll have to keep fighting - that one day there will be some payback from somewhere; they can keep dreaming, but genocidal policies tend to come back and bite you in the ass eventually.

Look what happened to Hitler (that Jewish icon of military and racial supremacy), or actually any group that decided to try a bit of persecution, genocide, and racial apartheid - they all went down the gurgler, why should you assholes think you will escape what history has in store for you?

You can only act like a pack of idiots for so long, you know. You've already made most of the really big mistakes, so possibly just a little one will be all it takes, to see your pathetic ideas and ridiculous aspirations of supremacy fold like the house of cards they are.

Why couldn't Jews set up a state without immediately going to war? Why were Palestinians deported, starting day one of the existence of the "new state". Why is Israel, apart from "winning" one or two battles, still at war like it has been since day one? Going to war as a first step in the declaration of "the state's" interests, letting everyone know they better be Jewish or they'll be shot; that just doesn't look like a good way to start out at all. But you're still doing it, you pathetically stupid Jewish assholes you.

 

[Axes]

So how many Arab Jews are citizens of the new dream-country today?

3.1 million, more than half the Jewish population of Israel.

Why couldn't Jews set up a state without immediately going to war?

They did, and were attacked as a result.

Why were Palestinians deported, starting day one of the existence of the "new state".

It happened only months later, after the invading armies have been thrown our.

Why is Israel, apart from "winning" one or two battles, still at war like it has been since day one?

Oh, I would say more than 'one or two battles'.. and as to your question, you should ask our Arab neighbors who refuse to accept our national right to self determination, and unwillingness to make peace.

letting everyone know they better be Jewish or they'll be shot;

I guess that's why Israel has 1.4 million Arabs with full religious freedom, with living standards far surpassing our immidiate neighbors.... because we shoot everyone who isnt Jewish.

 

[Vkothii]

Except you forgot to mention that citizens of the newly-established Jewish state, who have Arab descent, or are Palestinian or other Arab Jews, they don't have the same rights, the same access to education, housing, lots of things that "real" Jewish citizens get.

People coming from countries to adopt Jewish citizenship have more freedom than Arabs living in Israel, even the ones who get to be citizens. Israel wants to contain its Arabs, and keep its Arab neighbours at arm's length.
It's not your fault the Arabs got the wrong idea, when they had no say at all about having their land turned into a Jewish dream, and taken off them.

"Months later after the invading armies had been thrown out" of where? And the deportations and confiscations of land started before the ink was dry on the UN charter. The Arabs were brought in to this process by telling them they had to go.

That is, from a native point of view, a minority of Jews have managed to turn Arab territory into a Jewish "dream" that was historically destroyed nearly 2000 years ago. This "dream" involved the grabbing of land by essentially a Western hegemony which had absolutely zero concerns for any native rights of occupation, as if the Ottoman Empire never existed, and Palestine belonged to England since the Crusades so could be "given" back to a bunch of refugees.

Creating the state and immediately dispossessing Arabs, created an ongoing conflict, or shifted the whole European supremacy thing - reflected in the Nazi cause, but resurrected by the extant Zionist cause. The fact that Nazis persecuted Jews is directly reflected in the persecution of Arabs by Zionists, though initially the Nazis did a lot more of it to Jews.
Now there are lots more opportunities for the Zionists than they had back in the 1940s, but their methods are more or less identical except for the propaganda, though even that has much the same approach as the Nazi one. Dead women and children look much the same regardless who shoots them, too.

 

[Axes]

Except you forgot to mention that citizens of the newly-established Jewish state, who have Arab descent, or are Palestinian or other Arab Jews, they don't have the same rights, the same access to education, housing, lots of things that "real" Jewish citizens get.

Please specify which apparent 'rights' Ashkenazi Jews have which Arab Jews don't.

People coming from countries to adopt Jewish citizenship have more freedom than Arabs living in Israel, even the ones who get to be citizens.

Then, by all means, tell us which rights do they get that Arab's dont?

It's not your fault the Arabs got the wrong idea, when they had no say at all about having their land turned into a Jewish dream, and taken off them.

Had no say? To the best of my knowledge they were to receive 87% of Palestine (including Jordan), but chose to invade instead, with the published and claimed goal of genocide.

"Months later after the invading armies had been thrown out" of where?

The Negev desert, Beersheeba, and the Siege of Jerusalem, which was an attempt to starve 100,000 Jews to death.

This "dream" involved the grabbing of land by essentially a Western hegemony which had absolutely zero concerns for any native rights of occupation

How does 'Zero concerns for Arab rights' equate with the British limiting Jewish immigration and attempting to prevent the rise of a Jewish nation (1939 white book)? Allso, how does "Land grab under western hegemony" coincide with the west raising an arms embargo on Israel the moment it gained independence?


Your claims hold little ground.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Except you forgot to mention that citizens of the newly-established Jewish state, who have Arab descent, or are Palestinian or other Arab Jews, they don't have the same rights, the same access to education, housing, lots of things that "real" Jewish citizens get.

People coming from countries to adopt Jewish citizenship have more freedom than Arabs living in Israel, even the ones who get to be citizens. Israel wants to contain its Arabs, and keep its Arab neighbours at arm's length.
It's not your fault the Arabs got the wrong idea, when they had no say at all about having their land turned into a Jewish dream, and taken off them.

"Months later after the invading armies had been thrown out" of where? And the deportations and confiscations of land started before the ink was dry on the UN charter. The Arabs were brought in to this process by telling them they had to go.

That is, from a native point of view, a minority of Jews have managed to turn Arab territory into a Jewish "dream" that was historically destroyed nearly 2000 years ago. This "dream" involved the grabbing of land by essentially a Western hegemony which had absolutely zero concerns for any native rights of occupation, as if the Ottoman Empire never existed, and Palestine belonged to England since the Crusades so could be "given" back to a bunch of refugees.

Creating the state and immediately dispossessing Arabs, created an ongoing conflict, or shifted the whole European supremacy thing - reflected in the Nazi cause, but resurrected by the extant Zionist cause. The fact that Nazis persecuted Jews is directly reflected in the persecution of Arabs by Zionists, though initially the Nazis did a lot more of it to Jews.
Now there are lots more opportunities for the Zionists than they had back in the 1940s, but their methods are more or less identical except for the propaganda, though even that has much the same approach as the Nazi one. Dead women and children look much the same regardless who shoots them, too.

It was the Russian who sent weapons to Israel in the 48 war, with the idea that to use Israel to dominate the Middle East, but Israel wasn't playing that game.

 

[S.A.M.]

Most of the Jews who came to Palestine were Russians. But the ones who were in control of the terrorism and military were all trained by the British. Don't forget, the major players in the Zionism movement, Lord Rothschild, Chaim Weizmann and Nahum Sokolow were all British Jews.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

Most of the Jews who came to Palestine were Russians. But the ones who were in control of the terrorism and military were all trained by the British. Don't forget, the major players in the Zionism movement, Lord Rothschild, Chaim Weizmann and Nahum Sokolow were all British Jews.

They still were Jew's, and Stalin held a holocaust of his own that easily rivaled Hitler, and the Nazi's.

It was still Stalin who provided the needed aid to Israel when the rest of the world was holding a arms embargo.

 

[S.A.M.]

So? What do Palestinians have to do with genocidal Europeans? And either the Russians had a holocaust or were supplying weapons. Make up your mind.

 

[Buffalo Roam]

So? What do Palestinians have to do with genocidal Europeans? And either the Russians had a holocaust or were supplying weapons. Make up your mind.

This Palestinian?

Mufti of Jerusalem's Role as an Instigator of the Holocaust
There is overwhelming documentation of the role of Hajj Amin al-Husseini, the Mufti of Jerusalem, as a leading instigator of Nazi mass murders. ...

November 2, 1943 Himmler's telegram to Mufti: 'To the Grand Mufti: The National Socialist movement of Greater Germany has, since its inception, inscribed upon its flag the fight against the world Jewry. It has therefore followed with particular sympathy the struggle of freedom-loving Arabs, especially in Palestine, against Jewish interlopers. In the recognition of this enemy and of the common struggle against it lies the firm foundation of the natural alliance that exists between the National Socialist Greater Germany and the freedom-loving Muslims of the whole world. In this spirit I am sending you on the anniversary of the infamous Balfour declaration my hearty greetings and wishes for the successful pursuit of your struggle until the final victory.' Reichsfuehrer S.S. Heinrich Himmler

emperors-clothes.com/docs/bakera.htm - 24k -


No, you read the history, Stalin did both.

 

[spidergoat]

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Asshole

 

[S.A.M.]

This Palestinian?.

Once again, what do Palestinians have to do with genocidal Europeans? The Mufti did not kill a single Jew in the Holocaust, it was Europeans who did it. I doubt Hitler was waiting around for the Mufti anymore than he was waiting around for the Church.

On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany" and added with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars."

http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm

Although informed of the massive Nazi attacks of synagogues and Jewish business in on Kristallnacht 1938-NOV, Pope Pius XII issued no public criticism.
Although informed during 1940 to 1943 of Nazi atrocities in at least Austria, Lithuania, Poland, Spain, and the Ukraine, (including deportations to death camps) he made no public comments. 4
"He refused to join a resolution of the Allies condemning the Nazi crimes." 2
"He never excommunicated any Nazi," 7 although he did excommunicate some German Catholics who supported cremation as an alternative to burial.
"He never declared it a sin for Catholics to participate in the slaughter." 2
In 1941 when asked about proposed anti-Jewish laws in Vichy France, Pius XII answered that the church condemned racism, but did not repudiate every rule against the Jews

The Mufti, like the Americans was merely supporting dictators who were "in the best interst[sic] of his country"

Asshole

Inspite of his inflammatory rhetoric, he is right, you know.

Look what happened to Hitler (that Jewish icon of military and racial supremacy), or actually any group that decided to try a bit of persecution, genocide, and racial apartheid - they all went down the gurgler, why should you assholes think you will escape what history has in store for you?

Apartheid is not a popular political movement today, racism and ethnocentrism even less so; colonial occupation is passe. If this was happening to Jews, you would be first in line condemning it.

 

[pjdude1219]

They still were Jew's, and Stalin held a holocaust of his own that easily rivaled Hitler, and the Nazi's.

It was still Stalin who provided the needed aid to Israel when the rest of the world was holding a arms embargo.

and why did stalin do that. simple just to cause problems for the west. and stalin also gave weapons to at least syria. and last time i checked arming a country that is opposed to you is not considered support.

 

[spidergoat]

Inspite of his inflammatory rhetoric, he is right, you know.

It's bullshit, but I'm not surprised you believe it, excrement being your specialty.

 

[Vkothii]

Asshole

Yep.

Maybe not quite as big an asshole as that Sharon asshole, or that Olmert asshole.
Or pretty much 50% of any Jewish parliament; most Israeli officers in the military; pilots who drop millions of cluster bombs to deny land to Arabs. Lots of people who want to be Jews are actually assholes. How else can they justify what they're doing except by being assholes?
Generally anyone who claims a right to live in "Israel" since it has no right to exist other than the ongoing war that existence necessitates, qualifies as at least an ignorant asshole.

A situation made for assholes to thrive in - just doing my bit.

 

[spidergoat]

Why couldn't Jews set up a state without immediately going to war?

Ask those Arab nations who didn't want to let it happen.

 

[Vkothii]

Why "didn't Arab nations want it to happen"?
It wouldn't have had a thing to do with a fear of dispossession, Western hegemony, loss of access to resources - all the stuff that Israel has been up to since it got "created", would it?

 

[spidergoat]

Religious hatred mostly. Exploitation of the Arab people for political gain...

 

[S.A.M.]

Ask those Arab nations who didn't want to let it happen.

Why would anyone want to "let it happen"?

In which fantasy world does 7% of the population get a country by displacing 93% of the native population on the basis of religion, because the 7% belongs to a group who thinks they "deserve it"?

Would the Israelis want to let it happen today? Would they accept it if they were treated as they treated the Palestinians? Would you support the Palestinians if they did so?

It's bullshit, but I'm not surprised you believe it, excrement being your specialty.

Apparently, its teh international flavour of teh moment:


Israeli settlement growth nearly doubles since 2007

JERUSALEM (AFP) — The construction of Jewish settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories, seen as a major barrier to US-backed peace talks, has nearly doubled since 2007, an Israeli watchdog said Tuesday.

In a report published during the visit of US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice the settlement watchdog Peace Now said settlement building in the first half of 2008 was double that in the same period last year.


Israel settlement surge draws Rice criticism

UN slams new Israeli settlement

Israeli settlement plan angers Palestinians

Palestinian herders hard-hit by drought, Israeli restrictions


Israeli settlement building undermines peace process: EU

Would you want a neighbor like that?

 

[Buffalo Roam]

and why did stalin do that. simple just to cause problems for the west. and stalin also gave weapons to at least syria. and last time i checked arming a country that is opposed to you is not considered support.

No, Stalin was looking for warm water ports, for his navy, and a way to control the middle east.

Stalin only started to arm Syria, after he was rebuffed by Israel, his plan was still the same, to gain warm water ports for his Navy, to gain control of the Middle East Oil, and to flank Nato.

 

[S.A.M.]

Israel has a warm port? Bigger than Russia's allies, Iran and India?