??? that is in no way a response to my point.
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??? that is in no way a response to my point.
No. least of all when you bear a large responsibilty for starting the war.
Naked conquests? Everyone wanted them to leave, and they needed somewhere to leave to! Why not go back to the place where they prayed about every single day in every single generation for 2000 years.
So they saddled up, bought some guns with whatever they had and started removing the Arabs out of the country.
Let me start citing some wars the Jews won and the Arabs lost...this is how a nation is created.
They began coming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Palestine_riots
They were there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots
They were there in numbers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936–1939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
They created their own state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947–1948_Civil_War_in_Mandate_Palestine
They Defended Their Country from Egypt along with others:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis
They DESTROYED every single arab neigbor in the region in war:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six-Day_War
Fought the USSR, the Egyptians, the "Palestinians":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition
Fought Egypt, Syria, Iraq:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War
Fought WITH Southern Lebanon against IRO:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_South_Lebanon_conflict
Fought with Southern Lebanon against PLO AMAL LCP and Syria:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
Israel DEFENDS Lebanon people AGAIN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982–2000_South_Lebanon_conflict
Fights Yasser Arafat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intifada
What more does a state have to do to be recognized in your eyes?
They fought for independence and WON!!!!! Get over it.
um because other people had a stronger claim to it.
Naked conquest
You can quote all you want still doesn't change the fact that the creation of the nation was unethical.
They began coming.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Palestine_riots
They were there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots
They were there in numbers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936–1939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
They created their own state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947–1948_Civil_War_in_Mandate_Palestine
They Defended Their Country from Egypt along with others:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis
Fought the USSR, the Egyptians, the "Palestinians":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_Attrition
Fought Egypt, Syria, Iraq:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War
Fought WITH Southern Lebanon against IRO:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1978_South_Lebanon_conflict
Fought with Southern Lebanon against PLO AMAL LCP and Syria:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982_Lebanon_War
Israel DEFENDS Lebanon people AGAIN:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1982–2000_South_Lebanon_conflict
Fights Yasser Arafat:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Intifada
Have the strongest legitimate claim to the land.
They fought for more land and one. As a person concerned with facts and morality i cannot get over it until justice is done.
So winning 11 wars of independence isn't a significant claim? Losing around 2 million and easily more (I didn't calc) just for a piece of land isn't a valid claim/?
I'm done the fact that you think those as making a claim to a piece of land both strong and legit show you will never get it.
You're right, I don't and never will get it.
If 11 wars of independence don't make your claim valid, I will never know what is a valid claim.
If 11 wars of independence don't make your claim valid, I will never know what is a valid claim.
Then there is no Australia, there is no America. (The Indians DID fight back...they'd be so insulted you think they didn't.)
There's no Canada, there's no Japan. There's no Mexico, there's no (any nation in South America) there's no Poland, there's no Italy or no ANY of Europe...since it was Celts. There's no Iran, there's no Syria, there's no Lebanon, there's no Iraq....shall I continue? There's no Biblical Israel, there's no Canaan. There's no Babylon, there's no Assyria....
a war of independence is an action based on a claim. and i believe the Jewish people have a legit claim to the land just not the strongest. You won't get it because your to entrenched in the Jewish position you lack the distance to be objective enough.
Epic fail.
Howso? None of those people were the original inhabitants...
um the japanese for one are a mix of chinese and the original people. and Iran is still a nation of the persian people. I believe the lebonese are decendent from the phonecions
Okay assuming those are true... account for EVERY other nation I stated.
Difference, I never believed and never will believe there are "Palestinians". They're claim to being an independent nation is laughable. If I don't ever aknowledge them as a people...can't I take their land? Only if I fight for it! Did, won.
How does it feel that the arabs can't win a war even when they outnumber them around....200:1 :bawl:
Doesn't matter
The people claiming to be Israelis today WON the war even if they didn't decend. Arabs lost despite great advantage :bawl:
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