News From Gaza

[Vkothii]

im not the only one fed up with this shit heads lack of morality and their growing numbers.

Aren't you?
I'm pretty fed up, I feel I have to inform you, with your continual wailing on about "morality", "jew-haters", and various other meaningless crap.

You are an Iranian, aren't you, I bet you are.
You really don't have anything redeeming to say about the modern state of Israel, because you think it's built on the same pile of crap?

 

[S.A.M.]

You're being too hard on Spock. You should know that even in Israel, very few people know of what actually goes on in the occupied territories. Where people know, they also speak out against it.

 

[Mr.Spock]

You're being too hard on Spock. You should know that even in Israel, very few people know of what actually goes on in the occupied territories. Where people know, they also speak out against it.

well the truth is SAMI very few people do indeed know very little about whats really going on, including you and voki.

 

[S.A.M.]

well the truth is SAMI very few people do indeed know very little about whats really going on, including you and voki.

Don't worry, it will become more obvious gradually:

As part of its "Shooting Back" project, B'Tselem has distributed about 100 cameras to Palestinians throughout the West Bank over the last year. Of these, several dozen were handed out in the Hebron area, where friction between Palestinians and Israelis is felt on a daily basis.

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If they allow it, of course:

The United States security coordinator for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, retired general James Jones, is preparing an extremely critical report of Israel's policies in the territories and its attitude toward the Palestinian Authority's security services.

A few copies of the report's executive summary (or, according to some sources, a draft of it) have been given to senior Bush Administration officials, and it is reportedly arousing considerable discomfort. In recent weeks, the administration has been debating whether to allow Jones to publish his full report, or whether to tell him to shelve it and make do with the summary, given the approaching end of President George Bush's term.

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[Mr.Spock]

Don't worry, it will become more obvious gradually:




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If they allow it, of course:



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betselem gives palestinians cameras? why only to them? whats wrong with the IDF soldiers? dont they get to film the palestinians who curse and provoke them, and dont forget the rocks. ever being hit by a rogatka? goliath was killed by one.

 

[S.A.M.]

betselem gives palestinians cameras? why only to them? whats wrong with the IDF soldiers? dont they get to film the palestinians who curse and provoke them, and dont forget the rocks. ever being hit by a rogatka? goliath was killed by one.

Ah yes, cursing and provocation of an armed military in your home land. Such a terrible offence. Surely demands a missile or some bulldozers or a sniper to the head at the very least.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Ah yes, cursing and provocation of an armed military in your home land. Such a terrible offence. Surely demands a missile or some bulldozers or a sniper to the head at the very least.

usually they just sabotage the fence with a few israeli peace activists. i heard they shout the usual things, death to jews and israel etc. why provoke the IDF soldiers who are just there to do their job? they obviously cant maintain order by themselves, so they spit on the same hand the feeds them? just imagine how the west bank would look without the IDF. you know the palis in gaza dont have internet anymore right SAM? where is betselem there? ran out of cameras?

 

[S.A.M.]

usually they just sabotage the fence with a few israeli peace activists. i heard they shout the usual things, death to jews and israel etc. why provoke the IDF soldiers who are just there to do their job? they obviously cant maintain order by themselves, so they spit on the same hand the feeds them? just imagine how the west bank would look without the IDF. you know the palis in gaza dont have internet anymore right SAM? where is betselem there? ran out of cameras?

Would you say the same things to Jews in Warsaw? They were killing other Jews who collaborated with Germans, living in sewers and dying from poor living conditions.

Its a good thing that people have begun to recognise the plight of the Palestinians.

This August, a group of 40 international human rights activists from 15 countries, including Palestinians and Israelis, will attempt to sail directly from the island of Cyprus into the besieged Palestinian territory of Gaza. I will participate as the ship's doctor. Two ships, provided by an organization called the Free Gaza Movement, will challenge Israel's policy of imprisoning 1.4 million Palestinians within the Gaza Strip.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/371366_firstperson21.html

 

[Vkothii]

How many Jews in the Warsaw ghettoes felt like embracing German soldiers, you think?

How many Jews turned on their own countrymen and became collaborators, to get food or special consideration (i.e. not get shot, or their teeth smashed with a rifle butt, say)?

The reality is, oppression is oppression even when it's being done by people who sincerely believe they were themselves oppressed or persecuted.

goliath was killed by one.

Goliath?
Goliath was a mythical figure like Medusa was.
King David probably was too, or if he existed, he certainly didn't conquer any walled cities - maybe a few huts with a palisade around them.

 

[Mr.Spock]

and just as i thought you can lower any more. so they oppress each other because of the warsaw getho? well the warsaw getho ended after the rebellion. the remaining jews went to gas chambers to die, im sorry, they were sent to gas chambers by the NAZIS who murdered them. but then again if you ask voki all israelis are just NAZIS reading mein kamf, and palestinians are just poor and defenseless. ive never seen such poor people with so many guns and rockets. one might say they care more for fighting then their own livelihood. but surely that cant be, palestinians on the offensive? its not like they murdered anyone have they?

 

[Mr.Spock]

How many Jews in the Warsaw ghettoes felt like embracing German soldiers, you think?

How many Jews turned on their own countrymen and became collaborators, to get food or special consideration (i.e. not get shot, or their teeth smashed with a rifle butt, say)?

The reality is, oppression is oppression even when it's being done by people who sincerely believe they were themselves oppressed or persecuted.

well didnt you say israelis are NAZIS? what are you doing trying to convince a NAZI he is a NAZI? strange....

 

[S.A.M.]

What does poverty have to do with defending your life? Even starving Africans manage to get guns.

 

[S.A.M.]

I came across this snippet today. Its an example of Israelis who understand the position of Palestinian suffering

On January 16, 2007, Abir Aramin was walking home from school when the Israeli Border Police, a branch of the Israeli army, swept through the town, as they had on many other days right around the time of school closing. Children fled before their jeeps. Abir took shelter against a store and was shot in the back of the head at close range. She died soon thereafter at Hadassah Hospital. She was the child of Bassam and Salwa Aramin. Her father, a member of Fateh, had been labeled a terrorist and served 9 years in an Israeli jail for his attempt to throw a grenade at an Israeli jeep. Upon emerging from prison, he became one of the Palestinian founders of Combatants for Peace and continues to work with his Israeli counterparts to bring an end to the occupation, even after Abir’s death. No Israeli soldier has been charged in the case.

An account of Abir’s death was written by Nurit Elhanan-Peled , an Israeli mother whose daughter Smadar was killed by a Palestinian suicide bomber . Nurit Elhanan-Peled is one of the founders of Parents Circle-Family Forum, a grassroots organization for bereaved Palestinians and Israelis. She offers these observations:

“I sit with her mother Salwa and try to say, ‘We are all victims of occupation.’ As I say it, I know that her hell is more terrible than mine. My daughter's murderer had the decency to kill himself … The soldier who killed Abir is probably drinking beer, playing backgammon with his mates and going to discotheques at night. Abir is in a grave.”​

http://www.counterpunch.org/spangler07182008.html

Not everyone is oblivious to reality.

 

[Vkothii]

Our Jewish history expert is looking a little tangled.

The Warsaw ghettos happened, dude. There's all kinds of photographic evidence, the Nazis kept records of absolutely everything.

How many Israelis carry weapons around? Is it because they believe they might need to shoot a Palestinian or two?
Why is a Palestinian driving a bulldozer into Israeli cars and trying to kill them a terrorist, but Israelis driving bulldozers to knock down Palestinian homes, or bury anyone alive stupid enough to think by staying in the houses they won't go ahead and bulldoze them, aren't?

When did an Israeli ever put their own selfish desire for a homeland, and a "safe" place to be Jewish in, above anything else at all?

In Warsaw, Germans who thought they were Nazis, persecuted and oppressed people who thought they were Jews.
The reality was, they were just Germans, and Poles. Both Caucasian races from roughly the same part of the world. Like the Arabs and the Hebrews.

Palestinians are poor, they were before 1948, and they certainly haven't benefited much from the glorious Jewish aspirations for "their" homeland. Oh, whose is it again? Palestinians, despite being poor, also seem to certainly be capable of defending themselves - not all that well, and the fight looks decidedly skewed. In the face of what they're up against it looks kind of desperate and hopeless, you might say. So why are they still fighting?

 

[Mr.Spock]

What does poverty have to do with defending your life? Even starving Africans manage to get guns.

so they are getting their guns for free?

 

[Mr.Spock]

I came across this snippet today. Its an example of Israelis who understand the position of Palestinian suffering

so if ill post information on israelis who suffer at the hands of palestinians ill take it you will understand their position? just as you have done always.

 

[Vkothii]

they are getting their guns for free?

Yes, off the American, British, Arabian, Egyptian, French, Russian and Chinese arms dealers. They give out promotional samples, and a bullet discount for bulk orders.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Yes, off the American, British, Arabian, Egyptian, French, Russian and Chinese arms dealers. They give out promotional samples, and a bullet discount for bulk orders.

i must say im surprised. not one word about israel there.

 

[Vkothii]

Well, there are actually Israeli arms dealers.
They just don't generally rank on the international scene, after the big six. India probably sells more than Israel, I didn't put them on my list of suppliers to various African causes either. Mostly the causes with money to spend, that is.

 

[Mr.Spock]

Well, there are actually Israeli arms dealers.
They just don't generally rank on the international scene, after the big six. India probably sells more than Israel, I didn't put them on my list of suppliers to various African causes either, mostly the causes with money to spend.

i was talking more of like, how israelis are the most evil men on earth and how nazi like zionism is. i feel disappointed.