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Well, if Alexander hadn't died before announcing a successor to his throne, the Hellenistic Empire wouldn't have collapsed like it did, into various contending smaller empires. Then the Romans might have been just another Hellenised people living somewhere in Tuscany, they might never have done more than absorb Greek culture, and provide manpower for Alexander's empire, in his armies and slave-galleys, etc.

So since Alexander failed to keep the upstart Romans in check, it must be his fault then...?

No, it was the savage Romans' fault for invading other Hellenistic societies. What does this have to do with modern jews, anyway? Why, after 2000 years of breeding with and living amongst Europeans, was it ok to force them out because of their ancestry? Should the English move back to Germany? The French of Normandy should move back to Norway? The Palestinians to Saudi Arabia? If you're not going on another racist rant, then what the hell is your point here? What is the just "denouement" to WW2 supposed to be?
 
Weren't the Jews kicked out from Egypt too? And according to the Torah Abraham was born in Ur, so at one point they must have been kicked out of Iraq too. Why stop at the Romans? Or the Germans?
 
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It appears to be open season for theories as to why the Jews are the chosen people (chosen for a lot of shit it seems) so here is mine:

It is due to Christian belief that Christ would return, take the true believers to heaven etc. Well as that did not happen during the lives of those who knew Christ and not even dozens of generations later, then most thought the "second coming" would surely be in year 1000 AD.

Around 999 AD, some of the more clever Christians began to think: Hell I'll borrow from someone I will not meet in heaven and never need to pay back - a rich Jew. I’ll even agree to pay usury rates if the note comes due in January 1001 or later.

Well Christ was late in making his "second coming" and those nasty Jews wanted the debts paid. Christians did the only thing they could (having spent the borrow money on whores, beer etc by 30 December 999 and then made very sincere confessional on 31 December 999 eve). That is they tortured and killed as many of their creditor Jews as they could and most Jews that remained fled or were too poor to have been creditors. Jews became “clannish,” married only their own kind, learn skills and trades they could take in the night as they fled (medical knowledge, diamond cutting, gold holders making short term loans with part, etc.)

All Jews quickly learned how dangerous self righteous Christians can be and mutual relations between Jews and Christian steadily went downhill for more than 1000 years.

So in some sense it is all Christ's fault. - He failed to show up. - More proof that no Jew, even Christ, can be trusted. That my theory anyway.
 
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It appears to be open season for theories as to why the Jews are the chosen people (chosen for a lot of shit it seems) so here is mine:

It is due to Christian belief that Christ would return, take the true believers to heaven etc. Well as that did not happen during the lives of those who knew Christ and not even dozens of generations later, then most thought the "second coming" would surely be in year 1000 AD.

Around 999 AD, some of the more clever Christians began to think: Hell I'll borrow from someone I will not meet in heaven and never need to pay back - a rich Jew. I’ll even agree to pay usury rates if the note comes due in January 1001 or later.

Well Christ was late in making his "second coming" and those nasty Jews wanted the debts paid. Christians did the only thing they could (having spent the borrow money on whores, beer etc by 30 December 999 and then made very sincere confessional on 31 December 999 eve. That is they tortured and killed as many of their creditor Jews as they could and most Jews that remained fled or were too poor to have been creditors. Jews became “clannish,” married only their own kind, learn skills and trades they could take in the night as they fled (medical knowledge, diamond cutting, gold holders making short term loans with part, etc.)

All Jews quickly learned how dangerous self righteous Christians can be and mutual relations between Jews and Christian steadily went downhill for more than 1000 years.

So in some sense it is all Christ's fault. - He failed to show up. - More proof that no Jew, even Christ, can be trusted. That my theory anyway.

Hmm apparently, you're not reading your Bible properly.

Nowadays there are prominent evangelists who preach to their followers that God never fulfilled His promise of giving all the land of Palestine to the Jews. They support whatever action necessary, even nuclear war, to obtain Arab lands in the Middle East and give them to the Jews.

This belief is not only a threat to world peace, but it is also totally mistaken and unscriptural. The Bible clearly teaches that God did keep His promise to His chosen people the Jews, and that He did give them all the land that was promised. The boundaries of the land promised are given in Genesis 15:18 - from the river of Egypt (the Wadi El-Arish, not the Nile) to the river Euphrates.

Read Joshua 11:23, Joshua 21:43-45, 2 Samuel 8:3, 1 Kings 4:21, 1 Kings 8:56, 2 Chronicles 9:26 and Nehemiah 9:7-8, 24 and it will become very clear that God did give all of the land promised to the Jews. If God says that He did, who are we to say that He did not?

It is not necessary for us to start a war in the Middle East to fulfill a promise that God already fulfilled 3400 years ago. As for the Old Testament promises that Israel would be restored some day, these prophecies were fulfilled by the return from the Babylonian Captivity in 536 BC. The prophet Jeremiah is often quoted to prove that God promised a restoration of the Jews to their land and that the promise began to be fulfilled in 1948 AD. However, Jeremiah very clearly said in 606 BC that this prophesied national restoration of the Jews in their land would take place within 70 years (Jeremiah 29:10, Daniel 9:2). Christian Zionists need to study their Bibles more carefully, so that they will realize that God already kept His promise, when He said that He would, and that we do not need to stir up war and bloodshed in the Middle East in order to fulfill the promise yet again.

http://www.mediamonitors.net/williamson1.html
 
The jews were forced into money lending, mercantery and jewelry making because those trades were considered too dirty for christians, and jews weren't permitted to hold labour jobs like carpentry. The christians shot themselves in the foot, and artificially selected mathematically-minded jews in the process.
 
Ok, so it's the Christians' fault for splitting from Judaism, setting up a pan-European religious institution that became a political one, then borrowing (actually stealing, as it turned out) all the rich Jews' money?

As Billy T has said, if JC hadn't showed up in the first place.
Or if the Pauline doctrine, Augustine and the Roman conversion hadn't happened, and Christianity only stayed in the East, as a Judaic messianic tradition, instead of being hijacked by people with political ends in mind?

Or if the Romans hadn't showed up, or Alexander hadn't failed to keep his empire coherent, and kept those Romans under his thumb, along with everyone else.

If Xerxes had defeated the Spartans, then Europe would have become a Persian territory, and we'd be speaking Median or a modern version. But the Greeks turned his armies away, the push into Europe never happened, and wasn't tried again. The Spartans were a people who worshipped war, and the nobility of a fight to the death, like the Vikings.
 
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Hmm apparently, you're not reading your Bible properly....
Silly comment, even if true, as my theory is based on events hundreds of years after the Bible was written - nothing in the Bible about my theory to interpret, correctly of wrongly. (Your just jellous as you do not have a plausible theory,but that is OK - quote mine - you like to quote.) :D. just kidding of course.
 
The jews were forced into money lending, mercantery and jewelry making because those trades were considered too dirty for christians, and jews weren't permitted to hold labour jobs like carpentry. ...
By that half baked theory the Jews should be cleaning the toilets, slopping the pigs, shoeing the horses, digging the coal, etc not nice office work like cutting diamonds, being bankers, doctors, professors and lawyers etc. Come to think of it- I never saw a Jew with dirty hands.

Attack my theory and you will be sorry! :D (I like SAM, but will not let even her do that.)
 
Silly comment, even if true, as my theory is based on events hundreds of years after the Bible was written - nothing in the Bible about my theory to interpret, correctly of wrongly. (Your just jellous as you do not have a plausible theory,but that is OK - quote mine - you like to quote.) :D. just kidding of course.

What does the timeline have to do with anything?

1. God gave land to Jews forever
2. Jews broke covenant
3. Land gift rescinded [forever apparently is conditional]

Proof? Its all written in the Bible.

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Israel resorts to Hitler-style tactics to annex Palestinian farmland. Beats protesters and arrests dozens (presumably so they can be beaten out of public view, in their Gestapo-style interrogation centres).
Breaches international laws on legitimate protest, by firing live rounds into the protest group, killing a ten year old child.
So when are they going to change the uniform, to something a little more Aryan-style, to go with?

Isn't there an Israeli army uniform designer, with more appropriate costuming, for the neo-Nazi Israeli army?
 
I've always thought that Netanyahoo, and Olmuerta, were reincarnations of Himmler and Goering.

At least, they'd look good in a group photo, all smiling evilly, and cackling away to themselves.
 
I've always thought that Netanyahoo, and Olmuerta, were reincarnations of Himmler and Goering.

At least, they'd look good in a group photo, all smiling evilly, and cackling away to themselves.

I'll bet you'd look pretty good in a NAZI uniform yourself, even if you're as "slim" as Goering.
 
Ok, and by that reasoning, even if Israel did everything SAM accuses them of, the Palestinians chose to leave too.

of course they chose to leave-the invading arab armies tolled them they are going to slaughter the jews and give them their land back.
 
By that half baked theory the Jews should be cleaning the toilets, slopping the pigs, shoeing the horses, digging the coal, etc not nice office work like cutting diamonds, being bankers, doctors, professors and lawyers etc. Come to think of it- I never saw a Jew with dirty hands.

Attack my theory and you will be sorry! :D (I like SAM, but will not let even her do that.)

You ever been to Venice? It's pretty shocking what the jews there were restricted to doing. They were practically expected to eat carpet just in order to survive. Don't ask me why christian Europeans were retarded and backward in the middle ages, that was just how they rolled. I've seen and known plenty of jews with dirty hands, such as, for example, beat drunk morons' faces in for nightclub security dirty, or spend all day getting car grease on their hands dirty- do you expect them all to wear a black hat and talk to you about legal degrees? You probably wouldn't even know a jew if you saw one, that's why so many people think they're just European fakers. And there were no toilet scrubber jobs in the middle ages, as you don't really need to scrub a sh-t pit and it's not a job worth paying for.
 
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I'll bet you'd look pretty good in a NAZI uniform yourself, even if you're as "slim" as Goering.
Yes actually. The dark black SS uniform is a better look for me. Those jet-black patent leather riding boots set the jhodpurs off quite dashingly.

After my Hebrew slave has polished them for a day or two. I've been polishing up on my evil cackling, meanwhile.
 
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