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What do you think the penalty should be for Palestinians that murder Israelis?

Depends on where they "murder" them

The suicide bombers pay for their crimes.

What should be the punishment for Israelis breaking into Palestinian homes and killing children?
 
...A man has a right to defend himself in his own home. ...
But SAM, that is the heart of the problem. Periodically, as Israel expands, Israel states "That land is not yours. That house is illegally constructed." (No Israeli permit for its construction is on file in the Israeli land / zoning records, etc.) “Shut up about your grandfather being born there before Israel existed. Just get out with your life, while you still can.”

The Negev Bedouin's claim to the Negev (and Sinai, before being forced out of it) land has been unintentionally supported by Israeli excavation for new Israeli settler homes. That digging discovered a Bedouin graveyard more than 5000 years old. And thus documented an “occupational claim” approximately 100 times older that Israel has existed, but still there were no recorded deeds* or other records on file in Israel, so the Bedouins did not own the land the new Israeli settlers were building their home on from the Israeli POV.

You can only defend your home, if it is "your home" - Israel has repeated said to the occupiers of these buildings: "You do not own them, we do. Shut up about ancient graveyards and where you grandfather was born. – We do not want to hear more about the olive grove he planted and we bulldozed down last month.” etc. – “Just be happy we let you live to move to some other land. - If you cooperate, we will even give you bus fare to Jordan.”

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*In many cased the Bedouins did have written deeds, which were issued by the old Ottoman Empire officials, but they too were worthless, from the Israeli POV.
 
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But SAM, that is the heart of the problem. Periodically, as Israel expands, Israel states "That land is not your. That house is illegally constructed." (No Israeli permit for its construction is on file in the Israeli land / zoning records, etc.) “Shut up about your grandfather being born there before Israel existed. Just get out with your life, while you still can.”

The Negev Bedouin's claim to the Negev (and Sinai, before being forced out of it) land has been unintentionally supported by Israeli excavation for new Israeli settler homes. That digging discovered a Bedouin graveyard more than 5000 years old. An documented “occupational claim” approximately 100 times longer that Israel has existed, but there were not recorded deeds* or other records on file in Israel, so the Bedouins did not own the land the new Israeli settlers were building their home on from the Israeli POV.

You can only defend your home, if it is "your home" - Israel has repeated said to the occupiers of these buildings: "You do not own them, we do." Shut up about ancient graveyards and where you grandfather was born. – We do not want to hear more about the olive grove he planted and we bulldozed down last month.” etc. – “Just be happy we let you live to move to some other land. - If you cooperate, we will even give you bus fare to Jordan.”

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*In many cased the Bedouins did have written deeds, which were issued by the old Ottoman Empire officials, but they too were worthless, from the Israeli POV.

Yes, its very sad.

I've been reading some books this year and combined with the daily news from Gaza and West Bank, I find my own support for any Israeli state is fast crumbling. They are truly becoming the Nazis they escaped from.
 
Yes, its very sad.

I've been reading some books this year and combined with the daily news from Gaza and West Bank, I find my own support for any Israeli state is fast crumbling. They are truly becoming the Nazis they escaped from.

as someone who had family living in nazi controlled countries i have to say what the israelis are doing is bad but to say they are equal to the nazis is a stretch
 
I've been reading some books ...
Thanks for link. I seldom visit the Amazon site, and never have ordered a book form them. I was very pleased to discover accidently, that they let you read for free, at least in these two cases. Just click on "read first page" and then when it loads, gent to next page with click on the small triangle in the right margin. I have too little time to do much of this, but read a few pages of your second link.
 
as someone who had family living in Nazi controlled countries i have to say what the israelis are doing is bad but to say they are equal to the nazis is a stretch
Not for the 80% of the dead or now dispersed Negev Bedouins.

Just curious, do you know what percent of the European Jews (say those living in Europe in 1935) survived Hitler’s "final solution"?

I bet at least 20% got out in time. If that is the case, then there is "zero stretch" required to say that Israel and Nazi Germany are doing exactly the same thing; However, the moral issue is identical. - That is not dependant on Israel killing or driving out exactly the same percentage as the Nazis did.

Thus I think the main difference is Israel is smarter or learned from Hitler's mistake. I.e. Is doing the extermination sufficiently slowly so that the rest of the world will at most periodically protest, but do nothing to stop it.
 
Billy T desperately trying to make every one ignore me. the memories.

Like me you have good and bad comments for both sides. I have not seen Predator_190's for a few days as he is the first (in my years here) to make the Ignore list. Unlike, equally pro Israel Bufalo Roam, he is just a pure Israeli propaganda machine. - That is why he is there.

BTW, when you place someone on your ignore list, you still see that they have posted, but only one line of your page is wasted. Just learned what happens with "ignore."


you made some serious accusations on israel there. im sure you can prove them yes?

do you feel the same about 10000 jews bring deported from their homes in gaza?
 
Not for the 80% of the dead or now dispersed Negev Bedouins.

Just curious, do you know what percent of the European Jews (say those living in Europe in 1935) survived Hitler’s "final solution"?

I bet at least 20% got out in time. If that is the case, then there is "zero stretch" required to say that Israel and Nazi Germany are doing exactly the same thing; However, the moral issue is identical. - That is not dependant on Israel killing or driving out exactly the same percentage as the Nazis did.

Thus I think the main difference is Israel is smarter or learned from Hitler's mistake. I.e. Is doing the extermination sufficiently slowly so that the rest of the world will at most periodically protest, but do nothing to stop it.

when the israeli start offing jews for not being jewy enough than they will be equal to the nazis when they treat some jewish people like shit because they don't look the way a jew should than they will be equal to the nazis
 
when the israeli start offing jews for not being jewy enough than they will be equal to the nazis when they treat some jewish people like shit because they don't look the way a jew should than they will be equal to the nazis

no, the NAZIS were still far worse. hu, but what the hell-i must be talking to ignorant people who dont even know what the NAZIS did and still trying to compare the israelis to them.

funny, that this is done by two of the biggest jew haters, billy t and SAM who would probably through a party at the Holocaust memorial day.
 
israel acted like an oppressed people tend to act when they gain power over another group they oppress them. the un fucked up when it just let the creation of israel happen with out watching over it. does that excuse the terrorism on the palestinian side, of course not. but the Israelis do need to own their shit
 
when the israeli start offing jews for not being jewy enough than they will be equal to the nazis when they treat some jewish people like shit because they don't look the way a jew should than they will be equal to the nazis

What do you call the Right of Return for Jews Only? Excluding NATIVE inhabitants?
 
no, the NAZIS were still far worse. hu, but what the hell-i must be talking to ignorant people who dont even know what the NAZIS did and still trying to compare the israelis to them.

funny, that this is done by two of the biggest jew haters, billy t and SAM who would probably through a party at the Holocaust memorial day.

sorry some of the stuff the israelis have done is equal to what the nazis did. Quit avioding your shit and just fucking own it. people like you are the reason people hate jewish people.
and while what israel is doing to the palestinians is nothing compaered to wait the nazi's did to them it is almost as bad as what the nazis did to the polish
 
What do you call the Right of Return for Jews Only? Excluding NATIVE inhabitants?

my GERMAN grandfather has numbers tattooed on him from when he was in a nazi work camp. he was allowed to leave once ever other week. if he would have left when he wasn't supposed to they would have shot him. when you see the israeli jews do that to jews than and only than can you say what they are doing is equal.
 
sorry some of the stuff the israelis have done is equal to what the nazis did. Quit avioding your shit and just fucking own it. people like you are the reason people hate jewish people.

people like me?hate jews? you mean racist poeple who hate jews based on one jew?

is it ok for a jew to hate non jews based on one jew then?
 
israel acted like an oppressed people tend to act when they gain power over another group they oppress them. the un fucked up when it just let the creation of israel happen with out watching over it. does that excuse the terrorism on the palestinian side, of course not. but the Israelis do need to own their shit

and i thought 7 arab states attacked israel. guess i was wrong.
 
What do you call the Right of Return for Jews Only? Excluding NATIVE inhabitants?

which natives? the jews who fled hebron in 1929, or the arabs who came from syria between 35 and 48 who fled to neighboring arab countries assured they will return victorious over the yahood?

such fantasies have filled the palestinians. 60 years of fantasies and all they can produce are qassam and terror.
 
and that excusing depopulating towns?

why wont you ask the palestinians that question, sense that was their intention, which they did numerous time.

what can you expect from a small jewish resistance trying to secure themselves against 7 advancing arab armies?

send them flowers?
 
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