News From Gaza

[i.bel]

First....

A Protest Over this RIGGED, Biased, Sticky being the place for all Israel-Palestine issues. One that implies all the issues are in Gaza and ones of Palestinian Suffering.

When in Fact, Israel returned Gaza just a Few Years ago to have it turned in Terror Central.
And we don't see near the activity necessary in the West Bank that we do in Hamastan/Gaza... showing it's a POLITICAL and Defensive issue NOT one of genocide or cleansing.

A String Started by a moderator who is Pro-Palestinian/Anti-Israel, and an Arab Muslim.

 

[draqon]

Now i.bel...what is exactly you are protesting?

a) evil Palestinians
b) evil Jews of Israel
c) evil internationalists
d) war in general
e) this thread

so which choice is it?

 

[i.bel]

While continuing the PROTEST against this RIGGED BIASED STICKY STRING... some meat:

Lights On, Nobody Home

The media leaves the FALSE impression that Israel has completely cut Gaza's electricity.

Today's headlines include the LA Times's "Gaza dark amid Israeli blockade" and The Guardian's "Gaza plunged into darkness as Israeli fuel blockade takes effect". Similar headlines appear in many media outlets. You could be forgiven for thinking that Israel has cut off the entire electricity supply to the Gaza Strip.

Despite ongoing Qassam attacks from the territory, Israel has not switched off the electricity. In fact, Hamas itself shut down Gaza's only power station after inviting the media to watch it do so.

The mainstream media ultimately assisted Hamas in creating the impression of a humanitarian crisis in Gaza.
The fact is Israel has restricted fuel supplies in response to the terrorism emanating from Gaza but continues to provide the Palestinians with electricity.

The Times of London omits this vital fact altogether in a story headlined "Darkness falls on Gaza as Israel takes revenge for rocket attacks". AFP, while quoting Israeli officials, also omitted the facts leaving readers with the impression that Israel is simply denying responsibility.

While Gazans are undoubtedly suffering, the dark picture painted by the mainstream media is different from the reality. As the Israel's Foreign Ministry notes, the supply of electricity to Gaza from the Israel and the Egyptian power grids (124 Megawatts and 17 Megawatts respectively) has continued uninterrupted. These 141 Megawatts of power represents about three quarters of Gaza's electricity needs.

Israel Electric Company workers' committee chairman Miko Zarfati goes further:

"This is Palestinian spin. No one has stopped the supply of electricity to the Strip," Zarfati told Ynet. He claimed that his employees worked day and night in a power plant in Ashkelon while putting themselves in danger of being hit by Qassam rockets falling in the area.

The Gaza power plant only produces 30% of the electricity consumed in the Strip while Israel supplies the rest.

"It is simply offensive and arrogant for them to claim that there is shortage," Zarfati said....

"The situation is totally absurd.
We're continuing to supply them electricity despite the (demand) overload for electricity in Israel and despite the fact that Israeli residents and Electric Company workers that are being sent to Gaza Vicinity communities are under threat from Qassam rockets," Zarfati railed.​

Ha'aretz also reports that despite the blackout in Gaza City, southern and central Gaza - which receive electricity from Israel and Egypt directly - were NOT affected by the shutdown.

Hamas MANIPULATION of the media is evident in an AP story that reported "Children marched through dark streets holding candles, an angry Hamas TV announcer shouted at the camera "We are being killed, we are starving!"

Once again, the mainstream media has wittingly or unwittingly fallen into the Hamas trap. By plunging Gaza into darkness, the terrorist organization has managed to shift the story away from its own responsibility for the Qassams and terror on Sderot. Instead, Israel's image is taking a beating for a perceived humanitarian crisis of Hamas's own making.

honestreporting.com/articles/45884734/critiques/new/Lights_On,_Nobody_Home.asp

 

[draqon]

great...replies to itself...

 

[TW Scott]

What is moronic is to hate so much that you prefer a 40+ year failed high kill ratio RETALITORY policy which does not prevent occasional Israeli deaths to a DEFENSIVE policy, which can shoot down 100% of the rockets using 40 year old technology, now sitting un-used in Israeli warehouses. I.e. the CIWS removed from Israeli warships for replacement by more modern versions, etc.

I.e. the DEFENSIVE suggestion I posted long ago to prevent any Israelis from being killed. Why do you prefer that some Israelis die? - Only to provide an excuse to kill 20 times as many Palestinians? Or is there some other reason I cannot imagine? I always answer your questions regardless of how silly most are. You never answer this basic one: Why let any Israelis die?

I am waiting for your standard name calling reply. Too bad you can not think of anything else with your mind so full of hate.

So you think 100% of the burden should be on the Israelis and none on the Palestinians?

Israel should not have to perform a single defensive action, Billy T.

Wouldn't it be simpler for the Palastinians to simply stop firing rockets and mortars?

Palestine knows what is at stake. All they have to do is NOT fire more rockets. Much simpler than having israel keep an ever vigilant eye on the rockets.

 

[S.A.M.]

How did that work out for the Negev Bedouins then?

 

[pjdude1219]

So you think 100% of the burden should be on the Israelis and none on the Palestinians?

Israel should not have to perform a single defensive action, Billy T.

Wouldn't it be simpler for the Palastinians to simply stop firing rockets and mortars?

Palestine knows what is at stake. All they have to do is NOT fire more rockets. Much simpler than having israel keep an ever vigilant eye on the rockets.

thats not why people support the palestinians in the west people support them because a lot of the pro israeli people try and put forth all the responsibilty on the the palestinians

 

[Billy T]

...When in Fact, Israel returned Gaza just a Few Years ago to have it turned in Terror Central.
And we don't see near the activity necessary in the West Bank that we do in Hamastan/Gaza... showing it's a POLITICAL and Defensive issue NOT one of genocide or cleansing. ...

Welcome to sciforums.

You probably were not here when Israel announced that plan to see my post about it.

Israel has a lot of quite intelligent people. Israel is perhaps the most sophisticated nation in the world about the Middle East. They certainly have the best intelligence service in the world. Hell, they probably know what half of the terrorist leaders ate for dinner yesterday and who shared the meal.

As I have long known how sophisticated and well informed they were about the politics of their region, I PREDICTED that their width drawl would server their objective of destroying the Palestinian aspirations for a state - expose them as incapable of self government.* Etc. That is essentially what has indeed happened. - A brilliant plan by a brilliant nation - Really the only way that the Palestine state could be blocked with the entire world demanding the creation of Palestine. Without a state, the slow genocide and/or expulsion to neighboring countries of the Palestinians can continue for another 50 years as can Israel's periodic expansion into their lands.

Brilliant, simply brilliant! Sort of the David and Goliath story again with tiny Israel as David against the whole world as Goliath.
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*The periodic turning off of the electricity, so raw sewage flows in some streets and water pumps do not work, hospital air conditioners and refrigerators holding drugs, etc. etc. may not have been necessary - but Israel needed to be sure that the Palestinians would look as inept at self government as they do. This is also the reason why Israel left ONLY Gaza, not the West Bank. - That insured at least that there would be a struggle for political power. If it was wrong to occupy Gaza, was it not equally wrong to occupy the West Bank (and even continue expanding into it with new settlements)? - Am I missing something here? - I think not.

 

[hypewaders]

Billy T: "Brilliant, simply brilliant! Sort of the David and Goliath story again with tiny Israel as David against the whole world as Goliath."


There is nothing brilliant about little "David" abusing and alienating everyone around him, while depending on the support and protection of a distant parent-figure. This David is a violent youth, who won't be able to function on his own, unless he reforms and transforms into a responsible and ethical adult.

 

[Billy T]

Billy T: "Brilliant, simply brilliant! Sort of the David and Goliath story again with tiny Israel as David against the whole world as Goliath."
There is nothing brilliant about little "David" abusing and alienating everyone around him, while depending on the support and protection of a distant parent-figure. This David is a violent youth, who won't be able to function on his own, unless he reforms and transforms into a responsible and ethical adult.

I do not think the David and Goliath story is 100% myth, a "fairy tale."

I think Israel learned from Hitler not to try to exterminate a people too quickly, and best of all, to try to make it appear that they are committing suicide - doing it to their incompetent selves. That way the world will only protest occasionally or UN only pass a few resolutions of condemnation. The process of extermination can continue, but slowly; Unfortunately, Israel must let the terrorists kill a few Israelis every year to justify the High Kill Ratios, the periodic shutting off of electric power, the collection and holding of their taxes, the periodic expansion, especially into the mountain aquifer with the new "security wall," the permanent closing of all airports etc. etc.

Thus these smart people learned how to get away with the extermination that the world was to "Never Again" let happen. Israel could and did exterminate the Negev Bedouins more quickly (at least their culture has been exterminated even if only about 80% of the Bedouins are dead or dispersted to other lands, at present.) as they were already self-isolating and without any allies.

If there is any "fairy tale" here, it is your idea that the US will cut off all aid to Israel, stop sending them parts for their US helicopters or the missiles they fire into Palestinian apartment buildings etc. (All in "self defense", of course, as required by US laws.)

From their POV, you have to admit they are proceeding with their program, brilliantly. So brilliantly that the world will probably "Never Again" stops them from killing or driving into other lands ALL of the Palestinians, and eventually gaining 100% of their lands. Disgusting, but brilliant, simply brilliant.

What may stop Israel in a decade or so, is a much smaller force than Israel - microscopically smaller! (Actually too small even to be seen with an optical microscope.) A virus. Perhaps the Ebola virus in aerosol form thrown from a high rise window in Tele Aviv by a suicide terrorist who calmly walks away, happy to be soon be collecting his Martyr’s reward.

 

[spidergoat]

A Protest Over this RIGGED, Biased, Sticky being the place for all Israel-Palestine issues. One that implies all the issues are in Gaza and ones of Palestinian Suffering.

When in Fact, Israel returned Gaza just a Few Years ago to have it turned in Terror Central.
And we don't see near the activity necessary in the West Bank that we do in Hamastan/Gaza... showing it's a POLITICAL and Defensive issue NOT one of genocide or cleansing.

A String Started by a moderator who is Pro-Palestinian/Anti-Israel, and an Arab Muslim.

I used to be a moderator here. I made this thread a sticky (not SAM) because so many threads made by SAM were addressing the same subject. I tend to support Israel, but I tried not to let this influence my moderating. We gave up trying to corral all Palestinian issues into this one thread, because it's too much trouble. Your assessment of the situation here is incorrect, in fact the moderation leans more to the right now that I quit, for whatever that's worth.

 

[i.bel]

I used to be a moderator here. I made this thread a sticky (not SAM) because so many threads made by SAM were addressing the same subject. I tend to support Israel, but I tried not to let this influence my moderating. We gave up trying to corral all Palestinian issues into this one thread, because it's too much trouble. Your assessment of the situation here is incorrect, in fact the moderation leans more to the right now that I quit, for whatever that's worth.

Thanks for your reply.
I accept your politics and explanation.

My assessment of what happened in this string is perhaps incorrect.. motivationally speaking.

"I made this thread a sticky (not SAM) because so many threads made by SAM were addressing the Same subject..."

Then Perhaps you should talk to her about repititiveness, one-sided Spamming Instead of Indulging/Rewarding her with a permanent Sticky at the top.
Why not 'Sticky' a droning poster to the bottom of the page?

Would an Israeli poster get a sticky for "Today's Rocketing of Sderot by Hamas"?

 

[spidergoat]

Um, her posting habits are an ongoing matter of discussion.

It is a popular thread. There was a sticky thread here for a long time started by otheadp, a pro-Israel member. Limiting similar and repetitive postings to a specific thread is a moderating tool that is sometimes used, (without much success usually).

 

[p-brane]

Then Perhaps you should talk to her about repititiveness, one-sided Spamming [/b]Instead of Indulging/Rewarding her with a permanent Sticky at the top. Why not 'Sticky' a droning poster to the bottom of the page?Would an Israeli poster get a sticky for "Today's Rocketing of Sderot by Hamas"?

Precisely!

 

[S.A.M.]

Would an Israeli poster get a sticky for "Today's Rocketing of Sderot by Hamas"?

If there were as many Israelis killed by Palestinians as there are Palestinians killed by Israelis, no doubt. If Israelis were suffering food and medical shortages due to a violent military occupation, no doubt.

I'd been neglecting this thread for some time. But now that you have bumped it...

Look at this news for instance:

Israeli forces in central Gaza exchanged fire with Palestinian militants Sunday, killing a child and wounding four of the child's family members, according to Palestinian security sources.

An Israeli military spokeswoman confirmed Israeli forces were operating near al-Bureij refugee camp and that they came under fire from armed militants inside a home.

Israeli forces went into a refugee camp presumably with weapons and were fired upon. Obviously. They killed a child and wounded his family.

Don't even have to search. Its a daily occurrence.

Not only have they displaced the lawful residents into camps they even molest them in their temporary (if 60 years can be considered temporary) shelters.

Shame on them.

 

[spidergoat]

What's wrong with that? Should they let Palestinian soldiers alone to wage their reign of terror with impunity? This is what they wanted, they wanted Israelis to go after the jihadists and kill civilians, it helps the cause.

 

[S.A.M.]

What's wrong with that? Should they let Palestinian soldiers alone to wage their reign of terror with impunity? This is what they wanted, they wanted Israelis to go after the jihadists and kill civilians, it helps the cause.

Forced entry, search and seizure and shooting civilians is not self defense. Israelis are the tresspassers here. A man has a right to defend himself in his own home.

No doubt it helps the cause of a Jewish state, land grab instilling fear in Palestinians and driving them away and getting rid of some more children to keep the demographics shifting to more Jews less non-Jews.

Doesn't make it right.

 

[spidergoat]

Palestinians have the right to shoot Israelis? Even cops occasionally kill a civilian, it doesn't mean that was the goal. On the other hand, killing Israeli civilians is a goal of Jihadists.

 

[S.A.M.]

Palestinians have the right to shoot Israelis? .

Of course. Israelis are tresspassing in their homes. With weapons. Can't get more criminal than that.

Ask anyone here what they would do if a man with a gun entered their home with intent to harm.

 

[spidergoat]

What do you think the penalty should be for Palestinians that murder Israeli civilians?