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In my opinion, Zionism failed. There were still Jews in Europe at the time WWII broke out, so it should have happened much sooner....
It is sort of interesting (but pointless) to speculate what would have happened if Zionism had not in your POV "failed" but succeeded in getting most of the European Jews to move to the holy land during the decade 1929-1939 (assuming that the riots against the Jews in fall of 1929 also did not happen) I.e. suppose there was no creation of a "Jewish State" (Israel) later, but a population roughly half Islamic and half Jew (I.e. the 6 million that died in Europe were alive in the holy land).

Surely the brits would have found some way to set up a local government (to escape the cost of running things). Probably some sort of administrative council with equal representation of both religious groups that eventually wanted to be a nation (Called: "Semaniland"?) join the UN, get US aid, ETC.

The 1929 attacks on the Jews certainly did make it hard for the Zionists to recruit European Jews to migrate to such a backward region from the culturally advanced Europe. But even if those riots never happened, it would be a tough sell to get the most of the cultured Jews of Europe to move to the holy land of their 2000 year distant ancestors, given the conditions there.
 
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Everyone is talking about...

The British government has rebuked the latest plans by Israel to build more illegal settlements in occupied Palestinian lands in breach of the recent Annapolis agreement.

Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini here on Tuesday strongly condemned the illegal decision of the Zionist regime to construct new Jewish settlements in the West Bank and holy Qods, terming the move as being against international law.
Germany on Monday condemned Israel's plan to build hundreds of new homes in occupied east Jerusalem and the West Bank, calling it unacceptable and a threat to the Middle East peace process.
Israeli President Shimon Peres began a state visit on Monday seeking warmer ties with France, despite his host Nicolas Sarkozy calling for a halt to Jewish settlements in the occupied territories.
UN chief Ban Ki-moon on Monday called on Israel to halt the expansion of Jewish settlements in the occupied West Bank, stressing that such action violated international law, his press office said.

Fooled ya again Condi!:blbl:
The United States on Monday criticized new Israeli settlements as "unhelpful" but insisted the shaky peace process carry on during a visit here by Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni.
 
Today:

The Australian Parliament on Wednesday congratulated Israel on 60 years of statehood, describing it as a "robust democracy" and a "custodian of freedom" in a region abounding in autocracies and theocracies.

say what? Did I hear this right? :eek:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/963545.html
There was a small group of protesters outside Parliament House in Canberra and large advertisements placed in national newspapers condemning the motion.

The signatories to the advertisement, which included members of the Labor Party and heads of unions that helped finance its campaigning in the November election that saw Rudd triumph, condemned what they said was a "celebration of the triumph of racism and the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians since the al-Nakba (Catastrophe) of 1948."

Ah they're celebrating racism and ethnic cleansing! Now it makes sense.

Israel to boycott Al-Jazeera TV, claiming incitement to terror
By DPA
Tags: Israel, Gaza, Qatar

Israel has decided officially to boycott the Qatari-based al-Jazeera news station, because of what it perceives as biased coverage, a government official said Wednesday.

So much for freedom of expression. Vive la democracie!
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/963582.html
 
Banning Palestinian construction in occupied territories:

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas on Thursday accused Israel of "ethnic cleansing" in Arab East Jerusalem by banning the building of Palestinian homes and cutting the city off from the occupied West Bank.

Abbas told a summit of the 57-nation Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC), being held in Senegal's capital Dakar, the success of U.S.-brokered peace talks depended on Israel showing willingness to live up to the spirit of the process.

"Our people in the city [Jerusalem] are facing an ethnic cleansing campaign through a set of Israeli decisions such as imposing heavy taxes, banning construction and closing Palestinian institutions in addition to separating the city from the West Bank by the racist separation wall," Abbas said.

"What is taking place on the ground today is in total violation of [the peace process]," he said.

The Hebrew speaking Israeli military radio revealed on Monday the unveiling of a new plan to build approximately 400 more settlement units in northeast Jerusalem

The settlement of Naveh Ya is slated for expansion. This settlement illegal as all are under international law and a major impediment to the peace process, says Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas. Additionally, under the Road Map all settlement expansion is required to cease.

The military radio station reported that the Israeli-controlled Jerusalem Municipality has issued a tender for 393 new units in order to link Naveh Ya with another East Jerusalem settlement, Adam, located within the West Bank. The Israelis consider this area “the boundary” between Jerusalem and the West Bank.

The Israeli group “Peace Now” considers the latest plan by the Israeli government “a step toward creating geographical contiguity” between East Jerusalem and the West Bank.”

Israel says the construction is within areas it intends to keep in any future peace deal with the Palestinians. It defends its construction of the West Bank barrier by saying it protects Israel from attackers, but the International Court of Justice has termed the project illegal.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/963691.html
http://english.pnn.ps/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2507&Itemid=1


How is this not stealing land from Palestine? Can the Palestinians who need homes move into the settlement buildings being constructed?

Meanwhile:

Israel jets strike northern Gaza
 
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Mr.Spock: "perhaps we should accept our extermination then."

In order to find a rightful return to multiculturalism in the Levant, this sentiment needs to be addressed seriously by every party concerned. The cycle of oppression that has brought us to where we are is only going to end when Palestinians and their supporters can achieve and articulate a determination to abandon violent retaliation- not only on moral grounds, but also out of awareness of the military facts.

Israel wields a power to destroy, that Palestinians and their allies (real and contrived) cannot reasonably hope to rival with force. Many on all sides worship force as the ultimate means. Most elites are built upon violence, or the threat thereof. These consistently reveal insecurity in their response to the mere mention of proven alternatives.

There is a defining struggle underway within Israeli and Palestinian societies that is increasingly challenging the flawed assumption that violent retaliation is a means to a solution to the problem of Jewish coexistence in the Mideast. Only non-violent solidarity will expose, discredit and overcome the minority elites that are perpetuating the cycle of fighting between Jews and all the other inhabitants the Levant. That solidarity must continue to expand beyond the ethnic lines being so crudely drawn with bulldozers and blood, until there has developed sufficient reciprocity and trust for the most violence-prone on all sides to become politically marginalized.

The foundation of apartheid in Israel is not weaponry. It is the failure of the Palestinian people and the Arab World to address the often deliberately-inflamed fears of Israeli Jews, just as Mr. Spock expresses them:

"let the palestinians kill as many israelis as they can, and wait till all the rest of the neighborhood join the party."

Palestinians must gain not only the sympathies, but also the trust of enough non-zionist Israelis (of whom there are many) to meet them on the other side. Zionism's worst nightmare is not holocaust, or the threat of a repeat holocaust. Shoah is the tenaciously-perpetuated impetus, cover, and raison d'être for zionism's oppression and violence.

Zionism's worst nightmare and bane is not holocaust, but instead multiculturalism, built on multi-ethnic reciprocity and trust. The end of zionism in the Levant will come when sufficient trust has been cultivated on both sides of zionism's walls for Palestinians to get up and walk, leaving their useless weapons behind.
 
Rabbi arrested for inciting Palestinians

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Israel Police on Thursday arrested Arik Ascherman, the executive director of Rabbis for Human Rights, for "inciting Palestinians to oppose the police" in East Jerusalem.

Heated tensions between residents of the Silwan village in East Jerusalem and the Israel Police erupted over excavation works that have recently began in the village. The excavations are being carried out by the Israel Antiquities Authority (IAA) and are sponsored by Elad association, which promotes the "Judaization" of East Jerusalem.

Silwan residents say the excavation work is being carried out directly underneath their homes, and have proceeded to set up a demonstration tent on a private lot belonging to one of the village residents. A few confrontations subsequently broke out, and the residents maintained that the police deliberately harassed them.

On Wednesday another spat occurred between the local residents and settlers on behalf of Elad, and the police detained Ascherman for questioning.

The police requested that Ascherman promise to stay away from Silwan for 15 days and upon his refusal to oblige, he was arrested and will be brought in front of a judge Friday for his remand to be extended.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/964131.html

Whats with all the Israelis digging under the Palestinian homes? For heavens sakes don't they ever stop stealing land by any pretext?

Good for the rabbi!
 
Mr.Spock: "perhaps we should accept our extermination then."

In order to find a rightful return to multiculturalism in the Levant, this sentiment needs to be addressed seriously by every party concerned. The cycle of oppression that has brought us to where we are is only going to end when Palestinians and their supporters can achieve and articulate a determination to abandon violent retaliation- not only on moral grounds, but also out of awareness of the military facts.

Israel wields a power to destroy, that Palestinians and their allies (real and contrived) cannot reasonably hope to rival with force. Many on all sides worship force as the ultimate means. Most elites are built upon violence, or the threat thereof. These consistently reveal insecurity in their response to the mere mention of proven alternatives.

There is a defining struggle underway within Israeli and Palestinian societies that is increasingly challenging the flawed assumption that violent retaliation is a means to a solution to the problem of Jewish coexistence in the Mideast. Only non-violent solidarity will expose, discredit and overcome the minority elites that are perpetuating the cycle of fighting between Jews and all the other inhabitants the Levant. That solidarity must continue to expand beyond the ethnic lines being so crudely drawn with bulldozers and blood, until there has developed sufficient reciprocity and trust for the most violence-prone on all sides to become politically marginalized.

The foundation of apartheid in Israel is not weaponry. It is the failure of the Palestinian people and the Arab World to address the often deliberately-inflamed fears of Israeli Jews, just as Mr. Spock expresses them:

"let the palestinians kill as many israelis as they can, and wait till all the rest of the neighborhood join the party."

Palestinians must gain not only the sympathies, but also the trust of enough non-zionist Israelis (of whom there are many) to meet them on the other side. Zionism's worst nightmare is not holocaust, or the threat of a repeat holocaust. Shoah is the tenaciously-perpetuated impetus, cover, and raison d'être for zionism's oppression and violence.

Zionism's worst nightmare and bane is not holocaust, but instead multiculturalism, built on multi-ethnic reciprocity and trust. The end of zionism in the Levant will come when sufficient trust has been cultivated on both sides of zionism's walls for Palestinians to get up and walk, leaving their useless weapons behind.

you are so full of shit.
 
Mr.Spock: "and if palestinians built in west jersulam it would be justice right?"

Yes- when Jews and non-Jews live on an equal footing in Jerusalem, it will be an important affirmation of justice.

"terror doesnt work."

Absolutely correct. Justice and terror are plainly incompatible.
 

didnt you and billy t complained time and time again about how wrong of israel to demolish illegal settlements by bedoiun? just hypocrites, that is why you are.

the truth is, the arabs dont want the jews here. that is why they complain every time we build.

today jerusalem, tomorrow tel aviv.

terrorism wont win, one arab terrorists will not make us leave our country.
 
didnt you and billy t complained time and time again about how wrong of israel to demolish illegal settlements by bedoiun? just hypocrites, that is why you are.

the truth is, the arabs dont want the jews here. that is why they complain every time we build.

today jerusalem, tomorrow tel aviv.

terrorism wont win, one arab terrorists will not make us leave our country.

Interesting. That was Israelis complaining btw.:p
 
Interesting. That was Israelis complaining btw.:p

israelis? you found one demented and you think you can call it israelis?

i wouldnt be surprised if the haaretz lied about what he said also, among their other lies.
 
israelis? you found one demented and you think you can call it israelis?

i wouldnt be surprised if the haaretz lied about what he said also, among their other lies.

Oh its not one, its a group that contains 100 rabbis from Israel, besides several hundred other Israelis.

And the speaker is pretty well known.:)
Dr. Jeff Halper is Coordinating Director of the Israeli Committee Against House Demolitions and a 2006 nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize. He is an Israeli-American peace activist, professor of anthropology, distinguished author and internationally acclaimed speaker. The 3rd edition of his popular book, Obstacles to Peace: A Reframing of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict was released in 2005.
 
Oh its not one, its a group that contains 100 rabbis from Israel, besides several hundred other Israelis.

And the speaker is pretty well known.:)

their position on the demolition of israeli settlements in gaza?

the burning of the only synagogue there?

probably an ad hock rabbis.
 
didnt you and billy t complained time and time again about how wrong of israel to demolish illegal settlements by bedoiun? ...
Yes, I complained about the destruction of their simple temporary shacks built near some location that had recently had rain in the vast desert they had occupied more than 5000 years before Israel even existed to pass "laws" depriving the Bedouins of title to these lands, without any compensation (unless you consider the shelters provided in the concentration camps they were forced into after their shack homes and animals were destroy by the IDF to be "compensation.")

Why do you say "illegal settlements"? Is it not Israel that is clearly acting illegally by retroactively usurping 5000 years of ownership. - Strange for a people basing their ownership claim on a prior occupation abandoned about 2000 years ago. The Bedouin never abandoned their land – they were forced off of it by Israel’s IDF.
 
Yes, I complained about the destruction of their simple temporary shacks built near some location that had recently had rain in the vast desert they had occupied more than 5000 years before Israel even existed to pass "laws" depriving the Bedouins of title to these lands, without any compensation (unless you consider the shelters provided in the concentration camps they were forced into after their shack homes and animals were destroy by the IDF to be "compensation.")

Why do you say "illegal settlements"? Is it not Israel that is clearly acting illegally by retroactively usurping 5000 years of ownership. - Strange for a people basing their ownership claim on a prior occupation abandoned about 2000 years ago. The Bedouin never abandoned their land – they were forced off of it by Israel’s IDF.

im talking about those bedoiuns who took over the negev desert, illegally by force, constructing without any approval, harassing israeli bystanders, throwing rocks, not paying taxes, and then call it racism. :rolleyes:


and i knew something was wrong-this is what you rely on as a resource billy T?
http://www.iwgia.org/graphics/Synkr...ceboard/News/Middle East/Beduinreport2005.pdf
Negev Coexistence Forum? aint that a laugh.
 
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