News From Gaza
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we left them gaza didnt we? and now they are firing 20 km into israeli proper.
how wrong could we be.
Gaza was occupied, it was always for the Palestinians. You can hardly give someone something that already belongs to them.
if it was occupied, it didnt belong to them did it and we had 10,000 settlers there. which we removed, and we left them gaza after we left.
now after what remind from the jewish presence there was destroyed, and after the palestinians burned the synagogue that was there, instead of rebuilding the area, it is used for terrorists training, and rocket launchers.
Ah so in your opinion, you did them a favor by leaving after occupying them. Which justifies the 500,000 plus people living in illegal settlements all over Palestine?
500,000 or 5,000,000? what do you consider palestine? just the west bank and gaza? or the whole territory?
All beyond the green line. Though I have to say, Israeli actions seem to indicate they may simply be happier having a western state in a western country.
yes, im sure youll be happy to see the jews "return" to europe.
I couldn't care less where they stayed. As long as they recognised the Palestinians right to stay in their own land.
and right of return right? to israel.
and what the jews in israel deserve? to live under an arab administration?
i dont think so.
They claim to be a democracy, perhaps they should prove it. They could create a system like Lebanon with a Jewish President and an Arab Prime Minister or Vice versa.
its got nothing to do with democracy-its using democracy for political aims. a silent takeover.
if its democracy you are talking about, the current population in israel-disagrees.
Clearly sharing power in government is a silent takeover, much better to keep people in a state of racial oppression.
Clearly sharing power in government is a silent takeover, much better to keep people in a state of racial oppression.
sharing power-more 5 million arabs in israel will mark the end of a jewish state, and the jews in it.
and whats then for the other two palestinians states?
No. That is not my POV. I cannot explain that POV as I agree the suicide bombers etc. HAVE provoked the High Kill ratio response by Israel.
The problem is that this high kill ratio response is not the response that is in Israel's best long term interest. - That should be clear to all after 40+ years of using it has only made the problem worse (and now combined with the economic and Iraq war mess GWB has made) threatens to so alienate even the US financial support , etc. - Because of the 1000+ innocents killed in Lebanon for two only captured soldiers, and the recent extremely high kill ratio plus obvious collective punishment in Gaza the US’s military and financial support for Israel in no longer beyond question politically.
Joe American is hurting economically and is now wondering why so much of his foreign aid goes (on per capita basis) to Israel. Some Americans are beginning to question the wisdom of US support for Israel every time they fill their gas tank. All (except the strongly Pro- Israel tiny minority) will do more than wonder as the US sinks into depression. They will demand those funds help out Americans in financial trouble – not Israeli Jews. You are flirting with stimulating a new wave of anti-Semitism! Unfortunately, it seems to always be just below the PC surface.
If you want Israel to have a future, as I do, then PLEASE stop and think a little about what the future does hold for Israel, if the 40+ year failure is the best thing Israel can do.
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so once again you say you care for israel-you might think that is true but i doubt that.
you seemingly blame israel for everything, that it is israel actions that cause the mass-you unilaterally believe that your way is the right way, even though you dismiss the obvious fact, portrayed here by SAM, that the palestinians dont want peace, but our destruction.
perhaps the average joe can ask himself, why is israel fights so much? perhaps its the environment?
and as i have stated, the lebanon war was started when hezbullah fired rockets towered northern israel. a fact, conveniently forgotten.
No. I don't like to worry much about the assignment of blame - there is plenty to go around for all. As far as who started action "Z" it was in retaliation for action "Y" which in turn was in retaliation for action "X" .... which in turn was retaliation for action "B" which clearly was provoked retaliation for action "A" which was... - Not enough letters to get back to the starting cause of this chain of violence, so I will just jump to the real cause:
Europe and US did not stop Hitler in time and were ashamed at the end of WWII so they gave the Zionist movement some land that they (mainly the British) administrated after the Ottoman Empire failed.
Again, lets look towards a solution, not the past. What do you think is Israel's future, under the high kill ratio collective punishment policy when aerosol Ebola is available?
I have years ago outlined what I think is needed, very specifically even telling the width in meters of the border mine field, where and how its acoustic sensors, should be, the fence heights to keep the attack trained killer dog out of the mine field. How the automatic counter battery artillery system and CIWS protecting border cities would work, etc. but you do not want to waste time trying to improve my plan for truly effective defenses. - Looking backwards and fixing blame is your concern (and that of the "Israel can only do wrong" posters also).
My plan surely can be improved, but one needs to accept its basic new goal - namely total defense of Israel without significant killing innocent people via total separation for a couple of generations until all on both sides, who like you, are so hate filled that they cannot think, have died peacefully of old age in their beds.
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Billy there are over 500,000 Israeli settlers in illegal settlements in Palestinian territories. How does your plan account for them?
http://www.btselem.org/Download/Settlements_Map_Eng.jpg
http://www.btselem.org/Download/Settlements_Map_Eng.jpg
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