News clips from 9-11-2001 **You can't debunk this**

Ganymede said:
That indicates that I've done, or said something to effect them on a personal level. Which increases the probability that we've exchanged words before. It's a common practice for someone to use an alt when they're losing a debate. This gives the illusion that people actually agree with whatever point they're trying to make.
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Have you been checked by a professional? You answer for motive was that there was a CIA office ibn the biulding. Do you even see how lame that is? And then you proceed as nothing happened. TONS of thermate???? That is you explanation as to how it was done. Do you even see how ridiculous that is? No one is picking on you personally they are just trying to help you.
 
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Have you been checked by a professional? You answer for motive was that there was a CIA office ibn the biulding. Do you even see how lame that is? And then you proceed as nothing happened. TONS of thermate???? That is you explanation as to how it was done. Do you even see how ridiculous that is? No one is picking on you personally they are just trying to help you.
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There you go again. Another insult. Instead of concentrating on the evidence you chose to concentrate on my well being. I don't need your help. I will base my conclusions on where the evidence takes me. And there's alot of people who agree with my position that 911 was inside job. Now I'm placing you on ignore because you can't stick to facts. Your rebuttals are littered with insults. And adds nothing to the debate. So we'll agree to disagree. Something you can't do in a mature manner. You're taking it personal that you can't refute my facts with any facts of your own. So now you're tempting to be-little me, all while proclaiming you're trying to help. So step aside and let the mature adults debate this topic. Your repetitive insults are no longer tolerable.


Syanora John99, I'm cutting you off




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Can someone please answer this question

To those who subscribe to the Arab conspiracy theory please answer this. You've stated on numerous occasions that the WTC fell due to the fires. And the fire proofing was knocked off the building during the initial impact. And you indicated that the point of impact is where the hottest fires were located, that's why the buildings collapsed on or near the impact point.

Now, can you please tell me how people or holding on to 500 degree steel and not be burned alive? These people are holding on to the same steel that collapsed due to extreme temeratures and no fire proofing

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Perhaps the people went to the part of the building with the least fires -where the steel was the coldest. Wouldn't that seem logical?
 
The WTCs had a central core of steel columns and an outer skin of lighter steel. The outer skin was able to take the weight from the inner core for some time. I am surprised the building lasted so long. You know, they also thought the Titanic was unsinkable.
 
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Ganymede said:
I'm sorry, I'm not going to debate someone that asks me a question, and ignores the answer, only to repeat the same question again. That's what you've done each and every time I've answered one of your questions. Indstead of refuting the information you chose to insult my sanity and integrity. Geoff was a little more exteme with his defamation. That's why I recused myself from debating him.
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And also because I had your number, big time. :D I tend to believe that's the real reason. Anything else sounds like a conspiracy to me.

Ganymede said:
I will base my conclusions on where the evidence takes me. And there's alot of people who agree with my position that 911 was inside job. Now I'm placing you on ignore because you can't stick to facts.
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Argumentum ad populum, and overt falsity. Anyone who contradicts your little thesis gets out on ignore.

Ganymede said:
Can someone please answer this question

To those who subscribe to the Arab conspiracy theory please answer this. You've stated on numerous occasions that the WTC fell due to the fires. And the fire proofing was knocked off the building during the initial impact. And you indicated that the point of impact is where the hottest fires were located, that's why the buildings collapsed on or near the impact point.

Now, can you please tell me how people or holding on to 500 degree steel and not be burned alive? These people are holding on to the same steel that collapsed due to extreme temeratures and no fire proofing
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Because they aren't near the steel, you utter idiot. The steel is in the core. The flashy silvery stuff - which draws your eye as it would the eye of any other marginally intelligent animal - is aluminium.

Man.
 
spidergoat said:
The WTCs had a central core of steel columns and an outer skin of lighter steel. The outer skin was able to take the weight from the inner core for some time. I am surprised the building lasted so long. You know, they also thought the Titanic was unsinkable.
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The insurance company that certified the steel components said the steel could withstand temperatures of 2000 degree's. The N.I.S.T specualated that the maximum temparatures for the fires were 1800 degree's. Here's a quote from Kevin Ryan, and employee from the insurance company that certified the steel.

We know that the steel components were certified to ASTM E119. The time temperature curves for this standard require the samples to be exposed to temperatures around 2000F for several hours. And as we all agree, the steel applied met those specifications. Additionally, I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not melt until reaching red-hot temperatures of nearly 3000F (2). Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high-grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all.


The results of your recently published metallurgical tests seem to clear things up (3), and support your team's August 2003 update as detailed by the Associated Press.
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By Devlin Barrett, Associated Press, 8/28/2003

GAITHERSBURG, Md. -- Early tests on steel beams from the World Trade Center show they generally met or were stronger than design requirements, ruling them out as a contributing cause of the collapse of the towers, federal investigators said yesterday. Engineers with the National Institute of Standards and Technology have conducted preliminary tests on some of the 236 pieces of steel from the wreckage, said Frank Gayle, who is leading the board's review of the steel.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/a..._type_in_wtc_met_standards_group_says?mode=PF
 
Ganymede said:
The insurance company that certified the steel components said the steel could withstand temperatures of 2000 degree's. The N.I.S.T specualated that the maximum temparatures for the fires were 1800 degree's.
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Again:

Oxidation of iron by air is not the only EXOTHERMIC reaction of iron (= structural steel which is about 98 % Fe, 1 % Mn, 0.2 % C, 0.2 % Si.....). There is at least one additional reaction of iron with the capability of keeping the rubble pile hot and cooking!

The reaction between IRON AND STEAM is also very EXOTHERMIC and fast at temperatures above 400 deg C. This reaction produces Fe3O4 AND HYDROGEN. It is the classic example of a REVERSIBLE REACTION studied in Chemistry labs at high school. But believe it or not, back at the turn of the century, the reaction of iron and steam was used as an industrial process for the manufacture of hydrogen.

I think iron and steam could have reacted in this way (at least for a while) and generated a lot of heat. What is more, the hydrogen released would have been converted back to water by reaction with oxygen, thereby generating even more heat. In this case spraying water on the rubble pile was like adding fuel to a fire!

Now add in gypsum reactions with H2 and CO and we have a great source of SO2 and/or H2S to sulfide the steel!

Perhaps the endless spraying of water on the rubble pile was not such a good idea!

In the usual lab experiment on the reversible reaction of iron and "steam", nitrogen (or some inert gas) is bubbled through water to create a gas stream saturated with water vapor at room temperature. This gas is then allowed to flow into a glass tube about 1 meter long containing iron in an inert boat at its center. This assembly is heated in a tube furnace to some desired temperature, say 500 deg C. The hydrogen/ nitrogen gas mixture is collected at the outlet of the tube furnace.

In the industrial process the feed gas might also be "water gas" which is a mixture of CO and water vapor. The outlet gas contains mostly H2 and CO2.

I am sure there was plenty of water vapor AND oxygen in the void spaces in the rubble pile. This is the "steam" I am referring to.

Please remember that the recovered pieces of structural steel were heavily OXIDIZED as well as sulfided. The most important oxidizing agents available in the rubble pile were obviously O2 and H2O.

The rubble pile was not only inhomogeneous with regard to its composition, it was inhomogeneous with regard to its temperature. This was due to localized chemical reactions. Such reactions were capable of generating high temperatures in these localized hot spots.

The demolitionists much beloved thermite is a good example, BUT NOT THE ONLY EXAMPLE. AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF WHATSOEVER THAT THERMITE, THERMATE, SOL-GEL NANO-THERMITE WAS EVER PRESENT AT THE WTC SITE!!!!!!

It is irrelevant whether or not the steam was wet or dry, that is a chemical engineering notion only of interest in a closed and controlled system, usually under high-pressure, such as a steam generator in a power station.

Water vapor was present in the rubble pile and water vapor reacts with iron releasing HYDROGEN.

http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm
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Temperature and compositional heterogeneity would seem pretty likely and obvious to me, even without being a chemical engineer. Why is Ganymede not answering to this possibilty? What is he trying to avoid?
 
Ganymede said:
There you go again. Another insult. Instead of concentrating on the evidence you chose to concentrate on my well being. I don't need your help. I will base my conclusions on where the evidence takes me. And there's alot of people who agree with my position that 911 was inside job. Now I'm placing you on ignore because you can't stick to facts. Your rebuttals are littered with insults. And adds nothing to the debate. So we'll agree to disagree. Something you can't do in a mature manner. You're taking it personal that you can't refute my facts with any facts of your own. So now you're tempting to be-little me, all while proclaiming you're trying to help. So step aside and let the mature adults debate this topic. Your repetitive insults are no longer tolerable.


Syanora John99, I'm cutting you off
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Syanora

They used TONS of THERMATE, thats how. TONS of it.
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They were doing okay for a while in that video. And then instead of just hammering the point that the official line is wrong, they had to tell us what the "real" story was.

And then I saw the bit in the end credits for Why Won't God Heal Amputees?

Yig.

I know, I know ... not very useful.
 
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Ganymede said:
You were slaughtered in this debate. Thank you very kindly for throwing in the towel. I assume you'll recuse yourself from any further discussion. Since you already know the truth.
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Debate? dude...I just made fun of you in this thread...I never really posted anything serious. You were debating other members...your delusions of grandure never cease to amaze me.

You seem to be under the impression that someone here is going to hand you a trophy everytime you post one of your logic-less replies. Ain't gonna happen. Someday your gonna figure out your ego writes checks your brain can't cash.
 
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MacGyver1968 said:
Debate? dude...I just made fun of you in this thread...I never really posted anything serious. You were debating other members...your delusions of grandure never cease to amaze me.

You seem to be under the impression that someone here is going to hand you a trophy everytime you post one of your logic-less replies. Ain't gonna happen. Someday your gonna figure out your ego writes checks your brain can't cash.
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Oh I get it, you're just trolling the thread. What a mature what to make a point. So I guess we won't be hearing from you anymore heh?
 
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