Originally Posted by alphanumeric
At least I understand some physics. You've failed to understand quantum mechanics or thermodynamics.
Nice of you to leave some leeway for yourself by saying that you only understand
“some” physics.
No I didn’t fail to understand Quantum Mechanics or Thermodynamics, my reasoning’s are what’s called outside of your “academically incorrect school of thought”. Maybe in your little circle of closed off associates they may seem correct, but fail miserably in the full scale and true scheme of things.
“ Originally Posted by Anita Meyer
but I am stretching it to matters of the “soul”. ”
Originally Posted by alphanumeric
You should first demonstrate a soul exists or at the very least outline a clear and precise definition of a soul and then formalise your description. Otherwise you're just making stuff up to suit your purposes, that seems to be a running theme in religion.
The soul exists for the mere purpose of us consciously thinking about it. This falls into the "anthropic principle", which is the philosophical argument that observations of the physical Universe must be compatible with the conscious life that observes it.
The double slit experiment proves this, where it was discovered that the very act of “just looking” at these very particles in magnification, “observing” and measuring them caused the atoms to react differently and change course. Oddly enough, it was also discovered that the person performing the experiment actually influences the outcome. It seems the atomic particles have become AWARE! Not only does this apply to observed particles taking different paths through slits, but this strange phenomenon also occurs in the course of our everyday life, activities and choices. This transpires in the routines of everyday life when we look at impending situations in a certain way it becomes one path and if we turn away (avert) it takes another path. An additional way to perceive of it is to look at it as a ceaselessly flowing quantum soup of waves. However, whenever one turns around and tries to see this soupy wave, ones glance instantly congeals and solidifies this wave and turns it into actual reality. It seems the atomic particles are not only AWARE, they are also swayed by the consciousness of the observer. So lets forget the term Quantum Mechanics, lets call it “Consciousness Mechanics“.
What this all proves is that conciousness exists outside the bounds of the physical body, therefore its logical to assess that the soul must also exist outside the bounds of the physical body. What we are actually observing here falls into the realm of “spiritual matters“.
Additionally recent experiments suggest and demonstrate that all matter in the universe exists in a mesh of interrelationship and continuous influence. For instance, they had discovered that the building units of matter (atoms) have a far and wide instantaneous connection, and that atomic particles linger in a state of potential or probable position where they remain open to outside influences. It has even been observed that all existing things emit a constant tiny current of photons (which are tiny particles of light). Amazing as this all sounds, directed thought (tiny current of light) can create the very reality that we all see. Hebrews 11:1 in the New Testament it tells us -
that FAITH is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. In Hebrews 11:3 it tells us -
that through FAITH we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of G-d, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear. And it was also John 6:63 that said, -
it’s the spirit that gives life, the flesh counts for nothing.
There have even been scientific experiments that have been done to show beyond a reasonable doubt that “conscious intention” DOES have an effect over matter” starting at the atomic level of the atom and emanating itself into the physical/material world. One of the early experiments were conducted using the flip of coins that suggested that INTENTION directed them to their fallen places. Now such test consist of more subtle things as black boxes with LED lights, laser lights and fiber optics. It may still be arguable, debatable and unsettling, but yet the consistent results speak for themselves. But of course your “limited” knowledge of physics does not allow you identify with this.
I marvel at the Bible, it is a quantum manifold of sorts, and to me a flawless masterpiece. Moses wrote the Pentateuch (first 5 books of the Hebrew Bible) centuries ago and no one to this day can dispute the fact that it is the most amazing book ever to be written - surpassing all other books. In its progression and addition to the New Testament we are presented with Jesus’ thought provoking messages, which I might add are also very “quantum thinking” in nature. Such as in the parables spoken by Jesus and recorded by the disciples. Asserted statements like, the mustard seed being larger than the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 17:20 -
in which Jesus says, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will tell this mountain, move from here to there, and it will move, and nothing will be impossible for you.
Luke 11 -
Ask, and it will be given you, seek, and you will find, knock, and it will be opened to you.
Matthew 4:4 -
It is written, one does not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of G-d.
Matthew 21:21 -
Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only will you do what has been done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, be lifted up and thrown into the sea, it will be done. Whatever you ask for in prayer with faith, you will receive.
Matthew 5:28 -
But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Matthew 7 -
Ask and it will be given to you, seek and you will find, knock and the door will be opened to you.
Matthew 8 -
For everyone who asks, receives, and the one who seeks, finds, and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.
Matthew 8:3 -
I do choose. Be made clean!
Matthew 5:13 -
Go, let it be done for you according to your faith.
Matthew 8:23 -
Why are you afraid, you of little faith?
Matthew 9:28 -
Do you believe that I am able to do this?
Matthew 14:31 -
You of little faith, why did you doubt?
Matthew 15:28 -
Woman, great is your faith! Let it be done for you as you wish.
My favorite one is the one about the camel going through the eye of a needle. Matthew 19:24 -
Jesus said, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of G-d. Clearly, as we all know, a camel cannot go through the eye of a needle! It is impossible and this leads to a contradictory paradox! Except, IT IS possible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle! Yes, you might want to know that in today’s physics there is another branch of quantum physics called “Quantum Tunneling” and this is just not unknowable theory, but fact. Most scientist know that electronics work because of a quantum tunneling effect. In Quantum Tunneling, it is possible for an object the size of an electron to go through any obstacle - and thus if we realize that all things are constructed of atoms, this then becomes possible.
All of these parables are implying a very important message, that our state of mind and what we are thinking is actually our true reality, and that if we ask and believe in what we ask for, we will receive. Jesus clearly exemplified the teachings of Torah to openly expose and teach the principles between science, religion and G-d. These parables were designed to be understood conceptually by non-conversant people living in a time when the terms, scientific study of matter, energy, force, and motion, and the way they relate to each other where not heard of. Mechanics, electromagnetism, optics, thermodynamics, nuclear physics, and quantum mechanics were also not known. And it is my interpretation of “Quantum Mechanics” that this is the closest science will ever come to explaining Jesus’ interpretations allowing for both G-d and science to coexist together and simultaneously. And when we finally awaken to the future we will have discovered that Quantum Mechanics is the only correct analogy applied for everything that exists endowed to us by our Creator.
“ Originally Posted by Anita Meyer
Its just an exchange of energy, there is nothing “new” happening here ”
Originally Posted by alphanumeric
'New' has nothing to do with it, if two systems exchange anything, be it energy or matter, then they are each an open system. Whether or not the pair of them then exchange energy or mass with other systems is immaterial.
You've failed to understand the meaning of 'open' and thus you've just building a strawman.
No, what I’ve done here is OVERTHINK the system, thus realizing that in its totality of energy it is a CLOSED LOOPED system. The real dummy here is YOU!
Of course you can go on talking in “academic terms” if you like, but it is futile.
This is where you fail because you cannot think outside the box. Your parameter of thoughts are quarantined by your piers (school of thought). All its done is dumb you down and hinder you, exactly where the government wants you!
Originally Posted by alphanumeric
Please point to the part of the bible which explains how the parameter space of deformations in a six dimensional manifold with SU(3) holonomy forms a manifold which is locally a combination of a Kahler manifold and a special Kahler manifold, which in turn can be embedded within a larger Kahler manifold whose symmetries relate to a particular type of extended exceptional Lie algebra.
If that's not in the bible then my work is a counter example to your claim. And some vague interpretation you make up (after you've Googled to find out what the hell I'm talking about) is insufficient, as the result requires a very very special set of things to be true.
I’ve already told you (in previous posts here) that this equation can be found in Genesis 1:1. Aside from it equating to Pi, it also has a six dimensional manifold to it, which is none other than the “Star of David“.
Aside from this… Yes G-d is in the details, along with Quantum Mechanics!
Herein lies the secret… Quantum mechanics is the brainchild of algorithms (mainly fractal in nature). And algorithms are mathematical and contingent to all things that exists in nature. They reveal themselves in self-similarity such as in a trees branches and leaves. Similarly with the repeating pattern in a shell, and in addition flowers, mountains, landscapes, shorelines, clouds, waves, currents, the “Star of David” pattern, the DNA in all living things (anything that is structured by patterns of self-similarity). Algorithms are quantum in nature since they grow from the smallest quantity branching out to an almost infinite extreme (when small cannot get any smaller).
What algorithms show is unmistakably intelligent design - NOT evolution! When G-d spoke His utterances - which can now be understood as a series of algorithms. Psalm 119:89 -
Your word, O Lord, is eternal, it stands firm in the heavens. Algorithms are possibly the one program that G-d used when He designed all that exists. Surprisingly, all this adds up to what my book demo demonstrates, which is self similarity… one model form that produces all the others:
http://www.insearchoftheuniversaltruthpublisher.com/files/Pictures_and_explanation.pdf
Your answer here is… there cannot be accidents in a Universe which has an organizing intelligence - hence G-d!
Originally Posted by alphanumeric
Further more the concept of brewing things to make medicine doesn't mean all the medical and biochemical scientific knowledge of today comes from the bible. Did the bible provide us with antibiotics? Did it give us instructions on how to make them? No, the painstaking work of countless scientists and doctors lead to that.
Alphanumeric, whether or not you want to say that medicines came from either the Bible or Nature, it still equates to G-d incorporating it into nature. Drugs are a part of G-d’s good creation, provided as a part of His plans and purposes to be useful and beneficial to humanity.
I also happen to be very up on pharmaceutical medicines and the chemical ingredients that go into them. I can say with confidence that many of the drugs that we have today in modern medicine are just “derivatives” of natural sources that are already used in nature. Researches have discovered that olive oil’s phenolic compounds carry the same pain relieving benefits as ibuprophen. Aside from this olive oil has been used for thousands of years. Numbers 18:12 -
I give you all the finest olive oil and all the finest new wine and grain they give the Lord as the firstfruits of their harvest. Deuteronomy 8:8 -
A land with wheat and barley, vines and fig trees, pomegranates, olive oil and honey.
So again, my point was that man has not created anything new. All we have done is to continually emulate that which already exists. Even in this arena it is a CLOSED LOOPED SYSTEM.
However, the most significant antidote of all is given within the Bible and this is the antidote for “SIN”, and was first introduced by Moses as the “serpent on a pole“… Numbers 21:4-9 -
And they journeyed from mount Hor by the way of the Red sea, to compass the land of Edom, and the soul of the people was much discouraged because of the way. And the people spake against G-d, and against Moses, Wherefore have ye brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no bread, neither is there any water, and our soul loatheth this light bread. And the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people, and much people of Israel died. Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, we have sinned, for we have spoken against the Lord, and against thee, pray unto the Lord, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people. And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole, and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live. And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
So as one can see the meaning of the brass serpent that Moses was instructed to set upon a pole is significant in understanding the holistic field of Homeopathy where medicines were/are used to treat, like with like - fighting poison with poison… and it is in this same manner that G-d heals with the very same thing with which He smites. This is the very same method and approach that modern medicine uses today to produce vaccines that immunize the body against deadly diseases and viruses, as illnesses could be healed by taking tiny doses of the natural substance that is actually causing the suffering. This tiny dose is mixed in with water. In essence, what’s actually occurring is that the “information” is being used to cancel out the information of the symptoms.
So as one can perceive, the serpent of brass set upon a pole by Moses was merely an antidote for sin, treating, like with like, and fighting poison with poison, (which was later fulfilled with the crucifixion of Jesus). What this literally means is that Jesus took on the sins of the world as though they were His own sins. Even though He Himself was sinless, yet by the very act of taking on our sins He appeared to G-d the Father as a sinful serpent worthy of death. However, in this case there appears to be a an overriding clause which G-d has allowed as the healing antidote for sin. John in the New Testament clarifies this connection for us John 3:14-18 -
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For G-d so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For G-d sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of G-d.
Peter in the New Testament tells us in 1 Peter 2:24 -
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.
Jesus also tells us in Luke 10:19 -
Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
This in effect is none other than the "placebo effect", which science knows today does in fact work. Mind over matter, thus FAITH - Quantum Mechanics!
I doubt your feeble mind can understand this.
Originally Posted by alphanumeric
The bible hasn't provided specific detailed science and even though it might mention concepts like alchemy or using the stars for navigation that doesn't mean the concepts originated in the bible, as isolated cultures, which never knew of the bible until Western civilisation discovered them, have such concepts too.
Yes I will have you know that using the stars for navigation, even the Zodiac originated from the Bible!
The constellations are also referred to as signs. Genesis 1:14-15 -
And G-d said, Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth. And it was so. These are the 12 major constellations (or Mazzaroth as the patriarch Job calls them). Job 38:32 -
Can you bring forth the constellations (Mazzaroth) in their seasons or lead out the Bear (Arcturus) with its cubs?
It is these constellations which mark a continuous circle around the earth today, which most of us are familiar with called the Zodiac. Today and even in the recent past these constellations have been twisted to tell a different story. Many of them being used by soothsayers, fortune-tellers and astrologers to mean many mythological things in opposition to G-d. But surprisingly as you are about to find out, the constellations bare no other meaning or purpose other than bringing the promises (prophesies) concerning the coming messiah (Jesus the deliverer) into fulfillment. It should also be noted that the Bible patriarch “Job” was not the first to tell of these constellations (which most people think he was). It was Enoch (before the deluge of Noah’s Great Flood) mentioned in the Old Testament that was actually the revealer that pointed out and exposed the constellations (given to him by the appointed angel of G-d - Uriel). Most people don’t know about this because the “book of Enoch” was left out of the Bible. And it was this knowledge of the constellations given to Enoch that was later passed down to Abraham, and Abraham who was latter commanded to teach the Egyptians. And it was the Greeks who are said to have received their knowledge of the constellations from the Egyptians. And it is the Egyptians from which we get what’s known as the modern constellations. Again all of these constellations literally testify and bare record of the coming messiah - Jesus.
This was Enoch’s assigned mission from G-d! Again, what all these constellations truly represent were symbolic of the angels message of the coming deliverer (the abolisher of sin). The ancient constellations are all picture prophecies of Jesus, and are also in accordance WITH THE WRITTEN WORD OF G-D. In fact, many individual star names are recorded in the Bible as characteristic attributes and aspects of Jesus.
Here are the 12 constellations:
[Capricorn us] [December - January] [The Sea Goat] The Sacrifice… Romans 3:25 -
Whom G-d hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of G-d.
[Aquarius] [January - February] [The Water Bearer] The Living Water… John 7:38 -
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
[Pisces] [February - March] [The Fishes] The Liberator… Genesis 48:19 -
And his father refused, and said, I know it, my son, I know it: he also shall become a people, and he also shall be great: but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations. Mark 1:17 -
And Jesus said unto them, Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men.
[Aries] [March - April] [The Ram/Lamb] The Crowned Lamb… Revelation 5:6 -
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of G-d sent forth into all the earth. (Incidentally this is also when the Jewish holiday of Passover occurs in April. When the sun rises in Aries the lamb/ram is sacrificed).
[Taurus] [April - May] [The Bull] The Judge… John 5:22 -
For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son.
[Gemini] [May-June] [The Twins] The King… Romans 1:3 -
Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh.
[Cancer] [June - July] [The Crab] The Protector… Isaiah 4:5-6 -
And the Lord will create upon every dwelling place of mount Zion, and upon her assemblies, a cloud and smoke by day, and the shining of a flaming fire by night: for upon all the glory shall be a defence. And there shall be a tabernacle for a shadow in the day time from the heat, and for a place of refuge, and for a covert from storm and from rain.
[Leo] [July - August] [The Lion] The Victor… Revelation 5:5 -
And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof. (Incidentally, the sun rising in Leo is the resurrection - the time of the second coming of Jesus).
[Virgo] [August - September] [The Virgin] The Incarnate Son...
Isaiah 7:14 - Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
[Libra] [September - October] [The Balance] The Redeemer… 1 Corinthians 6:20 -
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify G-d in your body, and in your spirit, which are G-d’s.
[Scorpio] [October - November] [The Scorpion] The Sufferer… 1 Corinthians 15:55-56 -
O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
[Sagittarius] [November - December] [The Archer] The Conqueror… Revelation 6:2 -
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
I don’t know maybe this will give you a sense of buoyancy to your sinking mind?